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Capt Fathom 8th Jan 2019 20:15

Would appear the long term outlook for the big Q is not very rosy. Years of not spending money is starting to have an affect on daily ops.
Will be interesting to see how the CEO and the Board handle this deteriorating position.

Don Diego 8th Jan 2019 20:53

Capt Fathom,

It is going exactly as planned so all they will do is open another case of Cognac light up those Havana's and wait.

Dee Vee 8th Jan 2019 21:03


Originally Posted by Capt Fathom (Post 10355445)
Will be interesting to see how the CEO and the Board handle this deteriorating position.

In the usual well worn c-level tradition, he will resign with a golden parachute, and leave the mess for the next sucker.

dragon man 8th Jan 2019 21:09


Originally Posted by Dee Vee (Post 10355499)
In the usual well worn c-level tradition, he will resign with a golden parachute, and leave the mess for the next sucker.

They don’t need to give him a golden parachute he’s been rewarded so much money already.

hotnhigh 8th Jan 2019 22:59

Was only reviewing this article the other day. All roads lead to 2020.
Good luck to the poor bastard that inherits the mother of all **** sandwiches.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...15-p4z0gd.html

dragon man 11th Jan 2019 05:09

A 330 stuck in Singapore Wednesday night returned home this morning, a battery was so drained on it they couldn’t recharge it then it turned out there wasn’t a spare available in Singapore and one had to be flown up from Sydney.

Rated De 11th Jan 2019 06:37


Originally Posted by hotnhigh (Post 10355594)
Was only reviewing this article the other day. All roads lead to 2020.
Good luck to the poor bastard that inherits the mother of all **** sandwiches.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...15-p4z0gd.html


It is well known in the broader industry that the Qantas footprint and withdrawal was an indication that the business focus shifted. The growth of JQ at the expense of the parent is a dangerous knife to balance. Buoyed by surplus cash flow and cheap fuel, on first examination, which is all the MSM bother with, it appeared ok.

That the segment accounts hide the impact is one thing, but an airline of JQ's size flying the amount of ASK for such a small revenue return should concern investors.
Endless discussion of cost base aside, with the depreciation change accounted and the cheap fuel 'bonanza' buying time other airlines have taken advantage of the respite to re-equip.
That this management and board chose to to neglect long term strategic imperatives for short term personal gain is not new, but the gap is ever more obvious every day.

Even the bought and paid for ratings agencies acknowledge what this thread highlighted well before their analysts looked through the spin: Qantas fleet metrics are horrible.


Mr Goyder ought, given his experience with Bunnings UK, understand the there is perhaps a reason no airline has followed Qantas, scaling up an demand elastic model to the size that JQ is now.
With group revenues declining in real terms despite all the additional JQ capacity re-equipping Qantas is axiomatic.

Perhaps the circuit breaker is that a new set of eyes are needed, a set of eyes not focused on maintaining the hero narrative and the image in the mirror.

Qantas need a new fleet.
Qantas need a new management.







Qantas need a new fleet.

V-Jet 11th Jan 2019 09:47

RD: I have to take issue with this statement of yours as according to correspondence today it is factually incorrect.


Even the bought and paid for ratings agencies acknowledge what this thread highlighted well before their analysts looked through the spin: Qantas fleet metrics are horrible.
S&P Global ratings is no longer including Qantas at Qantas’ request. So at least as far as S&P’s ratings are concerned, they are certainly no longer bought and paid for. Although, with both those 787’s to pay for as well as Napoleon’s salary, perhaps the issue was in the paying??

Rated De 12th Jan 2019 03:55


Originally Posted by V-Jet (Post 10357787)
RD: I have to take issue with this statement of yours as according to correspondence today it is factually incorrect.



S&P Global ratings is no longer including Qantas at Qantas’ request. So at least as far as S&P’s ratings are concerned, they are certainly no longer bought and paid for. Although, with both those 787’s to pay for as well as Napoleon’s salary, perhaps the issue was in the paying??


That the ratings agencies are stock exchange listed entities and companies pay them to rate their equity the rating system is akin to stars on junior's drawing, sitting proudly on the family refrigerator.
That S&P are now calling the obvious and passing comment on poor and declining fleet metrics, given the 'fee for service' is suggestive that they believe that the term structure of the debt required for an eventual re-equipment puts even the current rating at risk.
Fair point though, Little Napoleon is expensive ballast.

V-Jet 12th Jan 2019 06:02


Little Napoleon is expensive ballast.
At least he pulls above his weight somewhere!

blow.n.gasket 12th Jan 2019 06:38

Little Napoleon is expensive ballast.


Just change “ballast” to “ Millstone “ and you would be closer to the truth , I believe Rated De !

dragon man 17th Jan 2019 03:44

Latest scuttle butt is that operation sunrise is not looking to flash. The only aircraft with a hope of doing it is the A350-1000, the 380 D checks are shaping up as a disaster and two will be grounded by years end. Don’t shoot the messenger please.

ExtraShot 17th Jan 2019 04:17


The only aircraft with a hope of doing it is the A350-1000
Is that a problem though? It’d just mean no 777s for Qf (again, and this time, ever), but the A350 seems to have proven itself pretty capable so far, as well as popular with pax. It also might solve their issue of a negotiated settlement to the 8 remaining and infilled A380 orders that Airbus reportedly won’t let go of.

As as for the two A380s out, well there’s a problem. If only QF had a 4 engined jet that could cover for it for a little while...

dragon man 17th Jan 2019 04:25

Maybe the 747-800 , I think there are 5 pax versions with no home.

ExtraShot 17th Jan 2019 05:02


Originally Posted by dragon man (Post 10362761)
Maybe the 747-800 , I think there are 5 pax versions with no home.


I was thinking that just keeping the fully crewed and depreciated 747-400s a bit longer might be an idea but I wouldn’t be unhappy with that either. :ok:

dragon man 17th Jan 2019 05:05


Originally Posted by ExtraShot (Post 10362771)



I was thinking that just keeping the fully crewed and depreciated 747-400s a bit longer might be an idea but I wouldn’t be unhappy with that either. :ok:

Agreed either would be good, both would be fanbloodytastic

Going Boeing 17th Jan 2019 05:31


Originally Posted by dragon man (Post 10362755)
Latest scuttle butt is that operation sunrise is not looking to flash. The only aircraft with a hope of doing it is the A350-1000, the 380 D checks are shaping up as a disaster and two will be grounded by years end. Don’t shoot the messenger please.

I thought that the A350-900 ULR had longer range than the A350-1000.

My source said that management are looking at grounding the first four A380’s - PERMANENTLY.

dragon man 17th Jan 2019 07:29


Originally Posted by Going Boeing (Post 10362781)


I thought that the A350-900 ULR had longer range than the A350-1000.

My source said that management are looking at ground the first four A380’s - PERMANENTLY.

4 380s grounded we would really see who was naked when the tide was out then.

Derfred 17th Jan 2019 07:54


but the A350 seems to have proven itself pretty capable so far
Ahh... but has an A350 gone through a D check yet? ;)

Nunc 17th Jan 2019 08:20

Have EK or any other operators found big problems during D checks?


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