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Originally Posted by Dee Vee
(Post 10352462)
So, whats happening with Qantas, currently Sydney airport showing 5 international departures for tonight, only 1 is "on time" but is actually 3 hours delayed, 2 are delayed until tomorrow, including QF25 and the other 2 delayed 2 or 3 hours. Sounds like a major SNAFU.
As the Haneda (Tokyo) services normally involve the aircraft remaining on the ground all day, it is the only route where they can catch up some time. This is done by delaying the departure until the afternoon of the following day so that it arrives in HND at 10pm and is turned around immediately for the southbound service. I expect this will continue to happen until OJU returns from HKG maintenance. |
Originally Posted by Dee Vee
(Post 10352462)
So, whats happening with Qantas, currently Sydney airport showing 5 international departures for tonight, only 1 is "on time" but is actually 3 hours delayed, 2 are delayed until tomorrow, including QF25 and the other 2 delayed 2 or 3 hours. Sounds like a major SNAFU?
Hard to believe all the press are bribed with Chairman's Lounge access..... Only Qantas affected, all others (reasonably) on time.... https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....436aa6ccb1.jpg Qantas will not divulge the genesis of the problem. The quiet money and given the experience of the front line staff, is on cuts in search of a 'KPI saving' progressing too far. As is noted, all other airlines are reasonably on time. Thus, it is not a weather related event it is possibility a reliability related event. Is it a lack of crew? Is it a lack of maintenance personnel? Is it a lack of inventory spares? It appears that most of the international delays are caused by one B747 being in HKG for unscheduled maintenance (that should have been able to be done in-house). As it is now a small fleet, there is not much flexibility to juggle the remaining aircraft onto all the services. It thus appears to be evidence of a fleet deprived of capital. One aircraft with an 'unexpected' problem and the system lacks sufficient capacity to absorb what is a common event. Both the ICCT stated and Mr Roger Montgomery highlighted: Qantas Capital expenditure has been diverted to management largess, $2 billion buys a lot of fleet. That the strategic management of the fleet 'transition' is so disjointed is suggestive of a deep malaise. As Australia wakes to a Sunday morning, the architect of this dysfunction, has put on his swimwear and is taking his bucket and spade to the beach. |
Originally Posted by Going Boeing
(Post 10352917)
As the Haneda (Tokyo) services normally involve the aircraft remaining on the ground all day, it is the only route where they can catch up some time. This is done by delaying the departure until the afternoon of the following day so that it arrives in HND at 10pm and is turned around immediately for the southbound service. I expect this will continue to happen until OJU returns from HKG maintenance.
Apart from delaying/angering your customers who probably have onward flights and holidays arranged at the original landing time, many of which will likely will be missed. Doesn't it just move the time on the ground from Haneda to Sydney, or is the B747 used on another route during the day, so its not actually on the ground in SYD all that time? |
Originally Posted by Dee Vee
(Post 10352936)
Forgive me if this is a silly question, but how does delaying QF25 18 hours, ex Sydney, actually catch up any time?
Apart from delaying/angering your customers who probably have onward flights and holidays arranged at the original landing time, many of which will likely will be missed. Doesn't it just move the time on the ground from Haneda to Sydney, or is the B747 used on another route during the day, so its not actually on the ground in SYD all that time? |
It can’t arrive in Haneda u till 2200 or later due to slot restrictions,they would love to get it there earlier as its due to depart at 2200 for Sydney again. So, it departs about midnight arrives in Sydney 2 hours late which generally means the Joburg flight will also be late. |
Honolulu on the 747 has now been extended thru till September. A moving feast, or lurching Titanic? |
Oh god, listen to you all panicking over a few disrupted flights like it spells the end of the airline, talk about drama queens. The reality is there are spare long haul aircraft sitting around during most of the year to plug the holes when unexpected maintenance crops up. However, the international side of the airline makes nearly all its profit during the Christmas holiday break so they push all the aircraft into service, as you would expect. This means disruptions are harder to handle and you need more creative solutions and you’ll piss off more passengers but that is what running an airline is all about. Look around, all airlines deal with this stuff. Even Air NZ who bought a new fleet are scrambling to find aircraft to operate their services as the new aircraft can’t fly due to unforeseen maintenance issues. It’s part of running an airline. |
The Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 Package C engines used on most of the airline's Dreamliners are part of a global alert and it could take 12 months to work through the problems, he said. (ANZ CEO Luxon 22 August 2018.) 'Drama' would actually be trying to equate an unscheduled maintenance event with an almost fleet wide propulsion problem. The apparent inability to structure the fleet, maintenance and peak utilisation matrix to cope with a 'solitary point of unexpected failure' results in substantial disruption, is point in fact, suggestive of systemic problems. |
Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10353202)
ANZ CEO Luxon 22 August 2018.
The apparent inability to structure the fleet, maintenance and peak utilisation matrix to cope with a 'solitary point of unexpected failure' results in substantial disruption, is point in fact, suggestive of systemic problems. And, even then, Qantas has kept a significant block of downtime in the 747 fleet's schedule, which means it can substantially recover from one of its jumbos going tech within 24-48 hours - and is. |
Plenty of highfalutin language there but it is simply suggestive of running an airline. Planes break, flights get cancelled, life goes on. It is common for pilots to on these forums to get frustrated when media take fairly routine aviation incidents and try to blow them up into more serious issues. Now we have pilots (and armchair-experts) doing the very same thing. |
Originally Posted by Beer Baron
(Post 10353268)
Planes break, flights get cancelled, life goes on.
More of the same scheduled for tomorrow and the day after and next week. |
A single plane going tech during peak season is hardly evidence that Qantas is a basket case. Yes, that has consequences for passengers. But, that is part of the reality of travel - things don't always go to plan. VA had a complete meltdown in SYD over the weekend; Bestjet went into administration just before Christmas; Frontier had an A320 take off with an unsealed door on Christmas morning, which led to passengers not arriving until nearly 4am on Boxing Day.
Taking an airline-wide perspective, Qantas has just been named as the sixth most punctual airline in the world. Even if we take OAG's findings with a grain of salt (and they quite properly note all the usual caveats), its OTP is still very strong. |
Originally Posted by Dee Vee
(Post 10353806)
Passengers are devastated and their holidays ruined, all good according to BB though. Qantas still gets their airfare, and the little leprechaun gets his bonus for a job well done.
More of the same scheduled for tomorrow and the day after and next week. |
Passengers devastated and holidays ruined! |
Delayed flights due to an aircraft ferried to HongKong for a fuse plug problem because it can’t be done in Sydney and now out until the 11th. Just routine stuff. |
you’ll piss off more passengers but that is what running an airline is all about |
Pretty selective quoting there Traffic. The whole quote that you trimmed was referring to managing disruptions being “what running an airline is all about”. |
The reality is there are spare long haul aircraft sitting around during most of the year to plug the holes when unexpected maintenance crops up. However, the international side of the airline makes nearly all its profit during the Christmas holiday break so they push all the aircraft into service, as you would expect. This means disruptions are harder to handle and you need more creative solutions and you’ll piss off more passengers but that is what running an airline is all about. I would have thought that NOT pissing off your passengers is what running an airline is all about, especially at a time you are charging peak fares and with little alternatives to offer in recompense. |
If I may be allowed to reply...I am eligible for QF staff tkts...(I never use them)...after the 2011 'shutdown' ... well...it simply defies belief it was not pre-determined, and the man referred to here as 'Little Napoleon' has turned me off my home Country Airline for good...
In any case...I refuse to fly with the likes of Malindo Air, Lion Air, Air Asia Indonesia, Air France, or QANTAS....there is a similar thread running through all those operators...not you 'Sky Gods' mind...heaven forbid....just that without looking too hard, there are many better ways to fly not using QF....that is just a fact...and I refuse to go through he UAE....I am allowed to make decisions based on my principles...and my $ goes ways the likes of 'Little Napoleon' would not understand... |
We now have a 330 stuck in HongKong, needed an engine change in Sydney but guess what they don’t have one, so 24 hour delay in HongKong. More happy punters. |
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