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Bend alot 28th Apr 2018 09:12


Originally Posted by hiwaytohell (Post 10129437)

And an AOG in Singapore? Guess where Embraer has their regional spares warehouse and with Hawker Pacific at Seletar!

That's great if you need a brake assembly.


How about more like the Embraer ( I think it was) with the coffee/soft drink spill that created some electrical issues? That need parts and possible some damage that requires some structural drawings and repairs?

Do Jetgo have good credit with maintenance and parts suppliers? Or say Airnorth for a Charter to move booked paxs?

wheels_down 28th Apr 2018 13:37

They have the wrong aircraft for the wrong routes. The ideal aircraft for the routes they are flying is probably the Q400. I have no idea what the main focus cities are because they fly random routes all over the country, chopping and changing, announcing then deannouncing new routes.

You need a lot of cash behind you if you want to have a serious crack at this market with Jets. Tiger had SIA. Strategic and this mob only have themselves.

Icarus2001 29th Apr 2018 04:35


because they fly random routes all over the country,
Err, not really. They dropped Tamworth WEF 14 May and they don't fly West of Essendon yet. It appears to me they don't want to go head to head with VA or QF as we know who would win that battle, anti dumping legislation or not. They pick thin routes that are not well served. Seems like a good plan to me. Then, I am a pilot so what would I know?

https://jetgo.com/flights/jetgo-flights-route-map/

As for cash, I agree with you. They have been trading for six years so they seem viable and one hopes they have cash on hand for the imminent expansion.

CASA_Approval 6th May 2018 23:12


Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere (Post 10132386)
From a quick look at flightaware, only 2 of their 6 planes have flown in the last week. 2 haven't flown for over a month. Not good.

Flight aware indicates they're down to a 1 aircraft schedule as of 04/05. Combined with recent hull & engine reposessions, one could be forgiven for thinking the end is very near.

Icarus2001 7th May 2018 10:28

Can I assume that Flight Aware uses ADS B information for tracking? I remember seeing somewhere that Jetgo had an exemption from ADS B fitment, so would that invalidate your assumptions about their activity? Are the repossessions fact?

https://www.casa.gov.au/files/casaex17079pdf Although it does say it was repealed at the end of March 2018. Perhaps there was an extension?

Edit to add: JGB and JGR are both shown on Flightradar24 as having flown today.

red_dirt 7th May 2018 12:04


Originally Posted by CASA_Approval (Post 10139803)
Flight aware indicates they're down to a 1 aircraft schedule as of 04/05. Combined with recent hull & engine reposessions, one could be forgiven for thinking the end is very near.

how confident are you of these alleged repos

Bend alot 7th May 2018 12:20


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10140180)
Can I assume that Flight Aware uses ADS B information for tracking? I remember seeing somewhere that Jetgo had an exemption from ADS B fitment, so would that invalidate your assumptions about their activity? Are the repossessions fact?

https://www.casa.gov.au/files/casaex17079pdf Although it does say it was repealed at the end of March 2018. Perhaps there was an extension?

Edit to add: JGB and JGR are both shown on Flightradar24 as having flown today.

Well that pays bills!

As for exemption of ADS B that is only a postponement of a cost.

Aircraft require engines to fly, how many are on aircraft today? Short answer is not enough for all to fly and it has been that way for some time.

LostProperty 8th May 2018 06:41


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10140180)
Can I assume that Flight Aware uses ADS B information for tracking? I remember seeing somewhere that Jetgo had an exemption from ADS B fitment, so would that invalidate your assumptions about their activity? Are the repossessions fact?

VH-JZG (an E135, I think) was the only one that did not have ADS-B and it does not seem to have been around for a while. Spotters reckon that it was the only RPT jet in Oz that was not equipped by the mandate deadline.

topgun0007 9th May 2018 00:12

Very reliable source..
One airframe repoed
4 engines repoed
JGZ in Alliance hanger (sans engines) at request of the Lessor.

Dogzbody 9th May 2018 01:51

"whoop whoop" "terrain terrain" "pull up" "whoop whoop"

Ned Stark 9th May 2018 02:02

It’s going to be tough making sure the crew has enough cash to pay for fuel.

markis10 9th May 2018 02:27


Originally Posted by topgun0007 (Post 10141703)
Very reliable source..
One airframe repoed
4 engines repoed
JGZ in Alliance hanger (sans engines) at request of the Lessor.

yet they had a new aircraft delivery in the last few weeks!

CASA_Approval 9th May 2018 03:27


Originally Posted by markis10 (Post 10141750)
yet they had a new aircraft delivery in the last few weeks!

It's what I call the "insolvency paradox":
The appearance of expansion is maintained to attract investment despite the fact that the company is about to spectacularly go tits-up

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Icarus2001 9th May 2018 04:18

Who does their maintenance? I would guess if they are not getting paid they will stop supplying just like a refueller would. BAC would need to get an order to impound aircraft but very easy to stop supply of services. If that is not occurring then there is no evidence of impending doom. Aircraft lease and finance deals can be complex so who knows.

CASA_Approval 9th May 2018 04:33


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10141782)
Who does their maintenance? I would guess if they are not getting paid they will stop supplying just like a refueller would. BAC would need to get an order to impound aircraft but very easy to stop supply of services. If that is not occurring then there is no evidence of impending doom. Aircraft lease and finance deals can be complex so who knows.

YMEN ground handlers stopping work might be another sign. Or a 1-2 aircraft schedule. Or massive pilot turnover. Or pilots/contractors not getting paid on time. Or thousands of displaced punters. Or cannibalized airframes. Or ongoing CASA surveillance. Or an 80 page dossier submitted to REPCON/Carmody by a group of incredibly concerned current and former engineers/pilots/flight attendants earlier this year.

But, If that is not occurring then there is no evidence of impending doom.

RedwireBluewire 9th May 2018 11:36


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10141782)
Who does their maintenance? I would guess if they are not getting paid they will stop supplying just like a refueller would.



Aircraft that was halfway through a C check in Cairns, pushed outside and buttoned up sans LH engine.
Account apparently frozen

Icarus2001 9th May 2018 14:37

When was that?

I found out today that they have crew in the US doing E190 type ratings now. Perhaps any money left is being diverted to the shiny new jet?

Ned Stark 9th May 2018 20:28


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10142208)
When was that?

I found out today that they have crew in the US doing E190 type ratings now. Perhaps any money left is being diverted to the shiny new jet?

I’m sure The CEO is getting typed. It’s best to make the company pay for your type rating before the company collapses.

RedwireBluewire 10th May 2018 04:10


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10142208)
When was that?

Monday just gone

Seagull201 10th May 2018 09:00

Looking at the jetgo RPT videos on youtube, it's concerning to see, that most of the flights are less than 50% full, probably 30% would be a better figure.
There are too many empty seats on every video posted.
No company can make money or break even with poor payloads.

A month ago, i checked the jetgo website and i thought i saw a photo of an Emb145 in Taiwan, i checked the website a few days latter and the photo disappeared.
I thought jetgo's main goal was to specialise mostly in charter flights (FIFO), not get involved in RPT services.

If only 2 aircraft are flying during any time, i'd say most people will assume the company is struggling, how long will they struggle, is anyone's guess.


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