Originally Posted by lee_apromise
(Post 9657996)
FO acting as PF logs as PIC/ICUS in FAA land. Other countries do it all the time too. Otherwise, how do you get ATPL if you got an airline job after getting your CPL? Don't know about Australia.
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If you're talking about FAA regs, you can't get an airline job without 1500 hours anyway, of which most of that would be from single pilot part 135 or flight instructing. ie, real PIC and not your BS PIC/ICUS which doesn't exist. https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...AND%20TIME.pdf Apparently, what you think as BS PIC/ICUS exists in FAA land. By your logic, all FAA pilots are fraud because they could log safety pilot hours as PIC during their time building. Double checked on this with FAA FSDO. |
Thanks Don for your valuable comment with regards to my education, I will take your very insulting comments on board and crawl into my cubby whole and sulk for the rest of the day...
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In FAA land logging PIC time if appropriately rated and sole manipulator of controls (even if you're the FO) is technically allowed.
That being said pretty much all decent 121 carriers won't recognize any time logged as PIC while being an FO at a 121 carrier. They'll only recognize PIC time logged as aircraft captain. It's not hard for them to work out either as the ALPA seniority lists are available to most majors recruiting dept. |
Who cares about FAA rules..this is the Virgin Australia thread.
On that note, what is the latest interview process? Phone Interview, HR, Sim? I have read no more tech questions. Apparently the sim is done in the E190? |
Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
(Post 9658782)
Thanks Don for your valuable comment with regards to my education, I will take your very insulting comments on board and crawl into my cubby whole and sulk for the rest of the day...
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Originally Posted by havick
(Post 9658808)
That being said pretty much all decent 121 carriers won't recognize any time logged as PIC while being an FO at a 121 carrier. They'll only recognize PIC time logged as aircraft captain. It's not hard for them to work out either as the ALPA seniority lists are available to most majors recruiting dept.
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That was my point to lee_appromise, and the majors in the US even point this out on their online recruitment page. I also doubt very much airlines in Australia would consider it. It's pretty much black and white in the logging of flight time here, that there can only be one PIC and not the 'Claytons' PIC you have in the US. Of course, everyone in the states knows that. FAA logbook does not have ICUS column. Hence SIC performing PF logs hours under PIC column. No idiot will claim this type of PIC hour as Part 121 PIC hours requirement. It is just for the purpose of meeting Part 61 requirement. But then again, one needs 1500 hours for 121 ops so nobody bothers with this kind of question. I rest my case. |
Just in case someone reads this and gets confused.
Pilot in command has nothing to do with handling the controls. In Australia, at present. Clear? |
Any more info on the actual hiring process, not PIC logging in the USA?
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Any more info on the actual hiring process Online numerical, verbal and spatial reasoning. If you make it past that you get an invite to a two day assessment. Day 1 Panel interview Group Exercise Day 2 Sim Planning exercise Or vice versa if there lots of applicants. Reference checks. |
Ah but thats only the first stage of Wiggley.
After reference checks its then; Day 10 Passed reference checks, indicate likely course start date of Day 60 Day 50 Nothing heard Emails not responded to. Day 60 Nothing heard. Day 143 Call from HR, "sorry we had some sickness in the department, got us a bit behind, we'll let you know by Day 157 Day 157 Nothing heard Day 265 Call from HR "Sorry we've been busy. We need to do a reference check again, please call your references to let me them we're calling within 3 days Day 268 Nothing heard. Day 347 Call from HR "Hi we've got another course date for you.. What do you mean you've taken a position with another carrier? Do you know how much of our time you've wasted?" *hangs up* :ok: Enjoy. |
Don't take it so personally Uber. You aren't the first person not to be the centre of the HR universe and you won't be the last.
It took over 700 days of being ignored before I got thrown a bone by my airline.... sometimes stuff just happens, particularly in this industry. You obviously landed on your feet and dodged a bullet with VA anyway, so happy days!! |
Uber,
Did they seriously make the charge against you for wasting THEIR time? No wonder HR are considered in every industry as parasites. |
Yeh no stress 34R, as you say it all worked out ok.
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Having been on both sides of the table I can tell you that they ( airlines in general) don't give a toss about you until they desperately need you to keep their planes in the air.
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Having been on both sides of the table I can tell you that they ( airlines in general) don't give a toss about you until they desperately need you to keep their planes in the air. 7th Feb 2017 04:55 |
Thanks for the info Wiggley. How long should one expect to wait from submitting their application to progressing to the next phase?
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Apparently calls have been made with offers over the past few days....
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Originally Posted by Brakerider
(Post 9669829)
Thanks for the info Wiggley. How long should one expect to wait from submitting their application to progressing to the next phase?
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