Any news on the latest EBA and if the 777 SO are going to get a pay rise? What dollars are the talking that it will go up to?

Should get another update next week. Last month their offer was less than what was put forward 2 years ago...

Application Under review
 

So I have an application in with these guys. website still says Application under review (funny enough my applications with JQ and QF say exactly the same thing).


I have not heard a thing since applying.


Does this mean I'm still in the process or its over, move along?..


At least with the QF app I was asked to do the psych / numerical / video...


RR

I did the online cognitive testing for these guys a few days ago. My app. was sitting there with no word for 2-3 months then got an email. I wouldn't write it off to soon...!!

Be patient... HR are busy with the White Ribbon mass indoctrination at the moment, telling every white male that they are all violent misogynists while completely ignoring International Mens Day (which was on the 19th in case your own female dominated HR department missed it). Employing and retaining suitable staff is a distant priority.

Running an Airline properly also seems to be a distant priority!

That's because they're not working for an airline, they're working for VIRGIN.:yuk:

"Be patient... HR are busy with the White Ribbon mass indoctrination at the moment, telling every white male that they are all violent misogynists while completely ignoring International Mens Day (which was on the 19th in case your own female dominated HR department missed it). Employing and retaining suitable staff is a distant priority."

A classic quote!

Airlines are these days tail wagging the dog. HR look for 'survival strategies' and that usually results in them meddling, taking over and wrecking somewhat robust process. It is the modern corporate, all tip and no iceberg..

Pilots ought remember:

In demographics is destiny...

The attempts to dumb down, control and denigrate the profession has consequence: Less people are learning to fly and those that are flying are aging.Those in Australia can source data and workplace demographic trends. The workforce is aging and globalisaiton has destroyed onshore job security and remuneration. The great part of it is that pilots can benefit from globalisation as the career path is not constrained by national borders. This means control is harder to implement and the power of seniority and the subsidiaries to cause the 'wage' tension (think Cobham at Qantas or JQ and Alliance at VAH) is declining. There are better and better contracts available. The Achilles heel of Australian airlines was always the good commuting contract.

Airline managers hate it, but eventually the path successive airline managers (no matter where they work) have taken flight crew terms and conditions will be addressed by the sheer number of retirements will mean opportunities for those still waiting. Supply will rise to meet demand when the price rises. Of course airline managers will spare no expense to deny this reality, 457 visas anyone??

• Pilots are expensive to train
• Not everyone has the skillset
• HR generates ZERO revenue but costs a lot.
• Workforce is aging

As many carriers are finding out, without pilots (and indeed operational staff) airlines find it increasingly difficult to generate revenue. All those buildings of HR and admin staff currently winding down for the Christmas break generate little in terms of revenue. It is the operational staff, including pilots that do that. those people have been maligned for too long.


HR control of recruitment is a survival strategy for an area of modern corporates shielding a hell of a lot of non-productive people ( unless of course paper generation is considered economic output) :E

Classic, and so true. Any competent manager should be able to hire and fire. The HR department is a luxury add on that is not required. Unfortunately HR (along with the executive management class and their servings the accountants) will get rid of everyone else first in order to keep their unjustified salaries in tact.

I agree with much of what Tuck Mach has written. However...

There are, but generally not in places considered by many Australians as desirable to live long-term, or commuting to work under contracts that do not have the backstop of employee-challengeable industrial relations laws championed by unions and arbitrated by a law-abiding umpire. So there is significant career risk in leaving for these jurisdictions...especially when you are young(ish) and have more than 5 years left before retirement.

Mostly these 'better and better' contracts are in the Middle East or Asia or working under the terms of a potentially rubbery contract. Often they are in an environment where you are tolerated and made to feel like a foreigner. Most pilots that I know place significant importance on having a professionally enjoyable atmosphere on the flight deck...especially on long haul.

These are major reasons why the ranks of Australian carriers have not been decimated by the growth in jet jobs in the Middle East and Asia.

I have friends and know of many pilots in these regions who desperately want to come home but feel trapped by the money they are earning and the fact that even if they are lucky enough to be successful then that position will be entry-level and of course at the bottom of the seniority list.

Most Australian pilots still place a VERY high value on living and working at home, under Australian IR laws with transparent seniority lists and the participation of unions in the workplace.

Now, if suddenly these jobs and commuting contracts were available with Western European or North American carriers? Well then I think the trickle of pilots leaving our shores could turn into a flood and our terms and conditions here would likely be driven up.

Until then, the 'pilot shortage' we often hear about doesn't apply so much to such a sought after location as Australia.

PG

Tuck Mach,

Love your work. Your insight into the abomination that is modern airline HR is truly enlightening.

Right on, Krusty.

The only thing Tuck Mach missed was forcing base transfers, and then sitting around wondering why all the pilots are leaving.

More HR genius.

Please elaborate slippery.

I'm interested in your thoughts on this!

Is it likely hiring onto the 737 in Aus will ever happen again?

I would be in order Slippery one to give the whole story. The forced base transfers are because of the disappearance of the E jet from the company. many who are on the Ejet are fairly junior in the company. Since the company has a seniority system, unfortunately, base transfers, like promotions, are seniority based. Some are very happy to take commands via the seniority system, but rather reluctant to accept that that same system can at times bite them on the arse as well. Moral - Be sure you you understand the EBA you join on!!!!!

Anyone hazard a guess as to whether VA will open up recruitment again in 2017?

Most definitely. ATR FO and B777 SO

Probably. If Qantas takes a number of SOs off the 777 and some ATR guys jump ship as well. Certainly short on the 737, but almost all external recruitment seems to be SO and ATR positions (some external positions on 737 in NZ recently as well). Plus a trickle of retirements also.

Any ideas on which positions the interviews in late Jan. are most likely to fill?

If you've got an invite it should tell you on your career portal which position you're interviewing for.