The moral to the story is if you want a job in mainline then get a job in non-group airline. Lapon's post is the reality of the situation.

So around 1-2 females per 8 males.
I imagine there would be around 1 female applicant to 20-25 male applicants?
It’s very obvious that having a vagina will put you at some sort of overall advantage, we’ve all witness the push for more female pilots and their target of 50:50.

I’m not in QF but I believe that any Pilot that is employed in a QF group Airline with a successful track record of check and training should get priority over outsiders AND a steamlined selection process......

Some here are holding on the edge too tight.

Its hard to sit hear and read some of this garbage without adding my bit.

Working for the link, jq qf or any group company doesn’t entitle you (or me) to a thing.

All the divisions have their own requirements and their own cultures.

Flying a jet ’aint hard. Its a retirement job.

The hard part is the interpersonal. The non technical. The art of remaining humble. Of fitting in to the culture.

Then doing all that stuff on a bad day when things are going wrong. Or right, but not your way.

QF pilots arent better or worse than anybody else. They have their own culture and the HR process is about ensuring you’ll fit in. HR doesn’t always get it right. What I can tell you though is most of the QF guys Ive had the pleasure to fly with over the years have been that same guy.

If you’re not that guy, or girl. Its not a big deal. Theres other places that will suit you and give you the career path you desire.

HR are probably doing you a service.

Sometimes it takes a little more maturity and perspective to realise that.

+1 for keg.

Cheers

Well said.

Crikey there’s a lot of verballing going on here. Thanks to so many for illustrating my point so well though- particularly the bit about people wilfully misreading. Thankfully people like C441, Goblin and wombat watcher (the latter two JQ and mainline I think) get it.

Timmytee. I’m sorry, where did I say this? Your comprehension is appalling. Of course there is some benefit though I suspect we’d quibble as to the extent of that benefit. So let me say it clearly again. If you’ve been in a regional gig in a subsidiary for 3-5 years (or let’s face it, any job in Aviation for the amount of time to have the appropriate level of experience) and as a result of that experience you think deserve a walk up start into Qantas mainline then you’re demonstrating perfectly why you’re NOT the right person.

While you’re at it, I’m not sure where I said this comment either.

I’m not sure I’ve ever made such a point. It runs so contra to my life outlook it’s not funny. I wanted to be an astronaut. I wasn’t good enough. It’s not about wanting but if burning your straw man helps you feel good about yourself then burn away.

jetlikespeeds, I’ve never stated the process gets it right. Sadly there are those who Qantas have knocked back who would’ve been awesome and some we’ve taken that quite obviously we shouldn’t have. A knock back from Qantas doesn’t define a person- just as getting a job with Qantas doesn’t define a person. If you think that was what my post was about then you too need to work on your comprehension skills.

Seagull, you’re probably right. Most regional pilots easily make the transition to flying a jet. That still doesn’t make them the ‘right’ person to be doing so. We can all probably think of a number of examples of people who could ‘do the job’ but we all wondered how they got there and how they stayed there. Mostly these people were widely detested by the rest of their pilot colleagues- a former regional Dash captain who has made a name for himself throughout the ME and Asia and loves to instagram with his dog springs to mind. These people probably thought that because they’d been [insert aircraft type] subsidiary pilots that they ‘deserved’ a job with mainline.

So so let me be blunt (again) for those unwilling or unable to comprehend my previous post.

1. If you’re a great pilot with a great attitude I hope I get to fly with you.
2. I don’t care where you learned those skills and attitudes. I don’t care if you’re ex RAAF, ex GA, ex subsidiary regional or jet operator, ex cadet, ex flying instructor.
3. If you think that because you’ve done ‘A, B, C’ for 3-5 years that you’re entitled to a job in mainline (or VOZ, or NASA or anywhere else you think you deserve a shot at because you’ve ‘done your time’) you’re an idiot. The world doesn’t (and shouldn’t) work this way. It’d destroy organisations through complacency.

But hey, you guys know everything anyway so obviously there’s nothing to learn from me. Enjoy your careers.

How’d that go for a word count? Do I need more to cater for fool sufferer?

I know there’s a group paint scheme and a group pilot costume, but is there such a thing as ‘group standards’ that pilots are assessed to? (Serious question)

Nope. Not true. I’ve never suggested they be top of the pile. I simply suggested they (and some others) should be in the pile for consideration.

Specifically I asked why we had knocked back a number of very qualified applicants before they had even attempted the psychometric testing, based on just their resumes. The examples I used included current RAAF pilots (who have more than 12 years), regional jet pilots 3,000+ hours of experience (specifically a few Aussies I know of in the US), etc.

Now, I suspect that most RAAFies would do quite well at the psychometric and be ranked for review accordingly but it’s their psychometric results that are part of what determines where in the pile they should be. Unfortunately many RAAFies didn’t even get to do the psychometric- and neither did a bunch of other very qualified pilots. In essence we’ve prioritised certain types of experience (or previous employers) without having a full view of the capabilities of the individual pilots.

So your ‘rumour’ is either a great example of Chinese whispers or perhaps something more malicious. You should examine very carefully which of those it is and the motives of the person who told it to you if it’s the latter.

Clear enough?

PS: I certainly didn’t use the term ‘blunt’ with any insinuations to the context of the the word when used by RAAF pilots.

Very true, good ones and tossers from every prior area.
Not sure if the current HR run recruitment will be worse or better? Some good guys and gals recruited recently, from a small sample I have flown with.

There will always be good ones and tossers recruited into airlines, and don’t forget it’s all up to individual perceptions and interactions as well. Your “good guy” could be someone else’s “tosser”.

I’ve found that a lot of criticisms of an airline’s recruitment strategy tend to be a mask for “I’m upset that me or my mates didn’t get a job here”.