I'm reminded of the little old lady asking the Captain "When do you fly more carfeully, with 100 passengers on board, or 200?", his reply, "I don't care how many passengers are on board, I only care about arriving safely myself, I don't even think about the passengers". No argument there for a pay rise based on passenger numbers.

Another view, if an aircraft is introduced that has double the passenger load over and above the previous that means only half the number of crews are required (all other things being equal). Hands up those who want to lose their job? ;)

I could put forth the argument that if you fly a frame that only has the words Qantas on the side, not QantasLink, you should be getting a hefty pay rise.

Why?

Well, because thanks to AJ's divide+conquer and giving everything to subsidiaries, their future is bleek.

If you're lucky, right now, 19 years for a command.
Domestically everything keeps being given away to Network Aviation in the west, National Jet in the east, Alliance in the centre, JetConnect across the tasman.
Now even more international flying is being handed to Alliance/NJS.

Flight ops webinar for the 737 pilots and theyre literally telling them how the a220 is the future and how amazing it will be for the network and that might have a good business case for more than 29 of them.
Meanwhile the 737 fleet shrinks from 75 down to... 20? 40 if lucky?

International is sweet-F-all. Frames being cut up or converted then a few months later... oh no we need Finnair frames/pilots/cabincrew to fly out of Sydney.

Mainline is dying. The last legacy carrier in Australia has no future.

The future is being a QantasLink bin chicken or a budget Jetstar pilot. Or whatever VA is at the moment.
Stress & Skill:Reward ratio is probably better being a bus/train/tram driver.

That's one argument. Someone prove it wrong.

Going to be hard for someone to prove it wrong Soseg

Hit the nail on the head

Wait until mainline training year allocations are released within the upcoming weeks to confirm the future at mainline. If it’s as big as has been suggested it would confirm a lot of movement ahead.

Perhaps. Perhaps big when compared to the previous decade.

Could be a lot better if flying wasn't being sent to QLinks

Because you generate more revenue.......

What a load of rubbish.
The QF pay system is based on the North American contract system out of the 1960s. The bigger the aircraft and the faster it flies, the more the pilot gets paid. Qf have never had a speed/ weight formula for pay but it’s little brother have served it’s pilots well.

It's time to move out of the 1960s and into 2023... US$450k should do it.

Regardless of what you state the origin of these contracts are, we're only worth what we bargain and our ability to do so has been significantly obstructed by the lopsided industrial relations landscape. Labor have already made inroads with policy reform and look set to continue. Time will tell what it holds for us.

per flight maybe but per year I’m betting the narrow body and regional crews doing 4 sectors 5 days a week earn more revenue for the group than a 380 crew doing two trips a month

Spot on maverick. What other profession is expected to fund the capex to purchase a new fleet? I don’t believe miners have to give up conditions so they can drive a new digger etc. Mean while certain groups will either get bent over and cave in, while others work on substandard wages for the chance to get a faster promotions. There is a reason why Mainline has only secured 20xlrs, be expected for more “consessions” or the threat of having it outsourced will be played on repeat. I’m not sure what the answer is, but if you look over the pond the US carriers seem to have a lot more spine than we do. There are a couple of big EBAs expiring over the next couple of years maybe some collective bargaining and having some balls will change the outcome.Hopefully these new IR reforms will work in our favour to lift the bottom up. If not I guess it’s more of the same. Hunting around like seagulls looking for a few chips on the ground thinking we’ve won the lottery.

Sick leave and fuel.

Leave the company with zero of either.

Both make your life easier, either at home or at work, and they’re about all you can directly influence these days.

Boong spot on could not agree more!

At the very least the A320 has a contract covering the crew unlike the E190 individual contracts played base against base for the flying. But don't forget they're painted as QantasLink and the punters know no different.

Upcoming EAs are a pivotal time for us all in all carriers. We must remain united. Trust in the process. Bring everyone with us.

Anyone know of ground schools beyond June?

No.

Hope this helps.

Hi everyone! Just wondering on what everyone's thoughts were about where to apply if you want to fly from BNE or PER...
I'm a permanent resident (born in Belgium) and recently got my CASA ATPL and 4000 flight hours and will now be starting to apply to places...
Thanks a lot for any tips and guidance! :)

August course full
 

yes heard about someone who got into the august course.

New Intake courses planned for every month of the rest of the year. Probably waiting to confirm dates and sim availability due to the large amount of Capt and FO training being done in the second half of the year.

Internal or External?
Do you know when they got the yes?

im not sure as don’t know them personally but when checking in I was told possibly not to expect anything this year and I got my yes last July.