MGH is 160 * 6 = 960.

32.7.4 Line hourly rates of pay effective from the first pay period on or after 1 July 2023

A380/330/350 = $106.17

787 = $133.02

So French fleet is about $100k, 78 is about $133k

Maths was never my strong suit, so please feel free to explain your working. FWIW I earned about $120-130 on the 78 as an SO including allowances. Like others have said, the choice is binary at the moment with all the movement. Either you want the LH lifestyle on $100-120k for doing little, or you want to fly the maggot around for circa $200k + and a little extra effort. Also, for those whinging about internals getting preference -I'm sure you would've whinged just as much while you sat on hold for 2 years watching externals get hired ahead of you because subsidiaries couldn't spare to let anyone go. It's a big game of swings and roundabouts, and if you play the victim throughout your career, people will give zero f....'s about your country song.

Working included

To be sure you get the correct numbers.

There are 6.5 BP per year. So all except the 787, that's 1040 hours.

And you must do 4 sims and 1 eps per year. Add security every 2 years. All up you will get a minimum of 1067.5 at min guarantee, and every second year you get an extra 5.5. If you aren't based where the Sim is, you also get the paxing credit days on top, but that's base dependant.

Of course you get allwances on top of all that.

Mainline is an airline you’re going to have to stay with for a few decades to really reap the benefits, so it makes sense for them to bias recruitment towards under 40s, and at that stage in your career you’re not likely to have much wide body command time. Having said that a lot of ex CX and other wide body LHS joining as S/Os.

The vast majority of new recruits have jet or heavy turboprop time. It’s probably the most experienced pilot pool mainline has ever recruited.

I stand corrected, and no - I left the 78 for the maggot a while ago - the only thing I remember was MDC....

Maggot???

Maggot = 737

What would an average amount of allowances look like per year for the Airbus vs 787?

Remember you spend allowances when you’re away from home and anything you don’t spend are supposed to be added to your taxable income. Allowances are not a guarantee and are not a ‘Bonus’ to your base income.

More Bubsy Babytalk

Why are people so guarded & blatantly misleading to tell people the facts about getting employ & then what the pay is

Suggesting pay for Perth is $80K when they would all be easily grossing $160K , before allowances

Allowances for LH average $400 AUD per day, these are non-taxable , you will spend 160 nights OS or duty travel etc

So the total of allowances will be $65/75K per annum , which is non-taxable & clearly you would probably get a dollar or two left over

The "juice" in the LH contract is the "soft pay" , dead heading , nights in Perth before after ULR etc

Few years you would likely be grossing $200K as SO on 787 allowances on top of that

Airbus SOs (A Scale ) miles in front of that , top of scale SOs would all be north of $300K these days

& that is why nobody wants to fly the 737

Why oh why is AIPA fighting QF on SOs hired direct to A380 , the clause says "& AIPA will not reasonably refuse request if due operational reasons"

Coming out of a pandemic , blocked training pipelines - they have all the reason they need

Why not focus on something they might actually win, such as QF introducing B Scale SOs years before A350 turns up

Where are you getting these figures from? I did less than 20k in allowances last year and that was a pretty busy year.

A realistic number for a first year 787 SO is 130k + 30k allowances. There really isn't much opportunity to work harder than that at the moment.

You would work out the number of nights away from base and then you multiply that 400

So if you only made $20K in allowances then you only spent 50 nights away on duty

Well played you are the Royale of of SOs , Amen to you

If you were on a standard roster , you need to call the Qantas pay office , as they owe you $40K to $50K

Everyone flat stick at the moment & close to 50% of time on a trip, planes busy seats full , 787s especially so

Plenty of people getting $70K + cashy non-taxable "food" allowance on top of flight pay

Just have a look at the EBA 10 information pack - it is all there & that is 2020 data

Nine Day LHR & guys are getting close (or more ) than $4000 for food allowance - its regarded as pay , nobody I know spends it

Its money for jam, think what a Business traveller would get & basically double it , $500 or so per day in London

Makiko, you're not even close with allowances. $30K, absolute max with picking all the good trips $40K

EBA info pack 10 was stating expect $36410 annually & used as an example patterns for 380 doing 3 day HK trips

Doesn't do those trips & the data (ato) is quite old now

You should talk to some 787 guys doing a lot of LHR & 4 day North American trips

What were your allowances last year?

Mate your figures are so far out it’s not funny. I WISH I got that much :rolleyes:

LH allowances DON’T average $400 per day at all. Have a look at the reasonable expenses table on the ATO website, that’ll tell you what you get per day. London, Singapore, they’re $400 a day. Japan, the US, I think it’s $355 a day. An India or a Bangkok, $230 or so. Domestically you’re only looking at about $195 a day. Heck if you go to Jo’Burg it’s even less than Australia!

And $300k for an SO? :D:D Mate you’re dreaming.

All the top increment SOs , that is 2009 before grossing $300K atm

& a large number of those hired since 2016

If you knew anything you would know that the $300K mark for SOs was crossed well before EBA 10

You are equally unaccurate about allowances - clearly you don't work for QF

I’m only posting to alert everyone here to disregard everything Makiko is saying. Absolute inflated horse ****.

160 days a year away?
post 2016 hire SOs on over 300k?
70k in allowances?

This bloke is stupid. Or doesn’t know how to realistically troll.

Makiko is right that the allowances are very generous and you’d almost never spend them all whilst away. They got much more generous in the last EA as you get them even while flying, not just in port.
However, his quoted figures are grossly inflated.
$400 per day is NOT the average, it is the absolute Maximum you get anywhere. Only get that in SIN and Korea as best I can tell, not LHR.

A 9 day LHR does not get 9 X the daily allowance, it is based on hours away. It’s 183 hours which is closer to 7.5 days and nearly half the time you’re on the lower UK rate (band 5).

As mentioned above, if flying to BKK, MNL, SCL, JNB, CGK, DEL, BLR…. Then you’re getting less than $300 per 24 hrs.

The system has only been in place less than a year so no one can tell you exactly what you’ll get but I’d guess 30-35K is a good estimate.