For those who are interested and don’t understand the EA..
787 SO pay

MGH (Min Guarantee Hours) 145
Divisor (Current) 170
So, regardless of what you actually work you’ll be paid 145hrs MGH period. At the moment as it’s flat out our divisor is 170hrs.
Keep in mind this is duty hours over a 56 day period and each day is credited as 5.5hrs.

Given above you can expect to be away for 26-30 days over the 56 day period. Can be reduced with alternate paxing after trips
Big trips, short trips…same same. Some prefer 5 shorter trips (LA,JNB) others like 2.5 long trips (LHR).

Current hourly rate for a Year 3 SO $131.73
Based on MGH - $19,100 Current Divisor $22,400
STACR - $1,553
Allowances $6,000 (approx)
$26,000 - $30,000 / 56 days

Yearly $169k - 195k

In addition to above there are training events which count for additional hours. Expect another 33hrs at hourly rate.

*I included allowances for example only, you will spend majority overseas…especially LHR.

Yes once the 350’s are ordered the rates drop significantly (for new hires) Happy to stand corrected but from memory you can expect about 100K plus allowances.

That's awesome thanks for the explanation :ok:

The way I interpreted the EA was that new hire 787 SOs are on closer to $125/hr. Tied in with a trigger event that seems to be when QFA officially order the A350s. Is that not the case?

Correct, Any new hires to the 787 will be on $129.14 (July 22) this doesn’t change once the 350’s are ordered. Once a firm order has been placed and recruitment commences onto the 350 then the “B” scale as mentioned above kicks in.

Is the clause designed to give an extra incentive to place the order, or just to cut some costs in future?

Why did the union recommend this deal?

They had a gun to their head

Can you confirm, if you get a choice get in on 787 soon before a350s, correct?

they have to be actively hiring for the 350 for the pay scale to apply. The jets haven’t even been ordered yet. It’s really not worth thinking about.

The B scale won’t really come into play for 18+months. It’s just the way for the company to enact their long term plan and to screw over new joiners in the years ahead. Like fellow colleagues before our time, small chunks at a time.

But first, let’s remove those golden contract cabin crew.

You don’t get a choice of initial aircraft.

Of course get in ASAP as that gets you a better position on the seniority list.

How have the loads been on international? have they been at a level that’s sustainable and survive the turbulence that’s going to hit in the next few weeks with price hikes etc.

Most of the flights I’ve seen have been around the 75% full mark, with business class normally alway full. A lot of 787 ops have had to have seats capped out of Darwin due to fuel requirements, this will possibly not be an issue as strong rumours are that a return to Perth will be sooner than June.

US loads are probably doing even better than the UK, with 80+% common and pointy end full.

Ok thanks. My theory would be ppl would be more willing to holiday over seas if they want to holiday as Australia was way to expensive before COVID and now with the impending financial crisis looming from the ramifications of all these lockdowns here and abroad.

Have the internals heard anything yet? Surely this will move quite fast if they need so many pilots

Do the internals get a look in? I can’t see one workforce being cannibalised to feed another while it is cheaper to keep the incumbents locked into their position and get new guys off the street.

I doubt the JQ guys wanting to go across will get a look in anytime soon. Amount of positions going here gives the impression we will be short also.

Could easily see it happening where, QFPP students go straight into Mainline. Hence starting a new long haul Toowoomba base?

Sunstate have around 2-3 on each ground school at QF. I'd imagine Eastern would be similar.