That's the time it should take.

In Australia it probably takes the same time to find the causes of most incidents. Then it takes another two years of political paper shuffling to ensure all arses are covered and nobody in the "establishment" can possibly have any blame attributed, deserved or not, before anything is released.

That's why it takes two years to release a report into two aeroplanes bumping into one another in a tarmac. There are so many "stakeholders" that have to sign off on the truth first.

to bring the thread back to where it started, is there any news re the Australian FO involved?

Some nasty racist comments in this thread,, and some reasoned rebuttals as well, I worked over 30 years in the area and am disgusted with the prejudice displayed by some people, the thread was about the welfare of the FO , not about anonymous gutless racist comments,, GROW UP and act your age..

Yeah.... Grow up!

Nothing to see here:mad:

Dear Al E. Vator,

Thank you for the links about the reality of life in the Medieval dictatorship of Dubai for a wide cross section of humans denied their Universal Human Rights. Let us pray that the Universal Human Rights of the F/O are being defended.

Reading the well researched and wide ranging article

"The dark side of Dubai"

was particular disturbing,
and to be honest,
heart wrenching.

Careful what content you believe in some articles written by the Independent tabloid. There have been some inaccuracies in the past that have resulted in lawsuits.

Yair, I know but this could be said about nearly every newspaper that's ever been published. Journos are not infallible. :ok:

You got my point exactly Ken. Don't believe everything you read in newspapers and take some commentary with a teaspoon of salt! :ok:

3 Holer - Mate, go talk with the Indians on construction sites and see if they share your rose-coloured views.
Have a chat with the Filipino and Indonesian house maids about their treatment. Talk to the executives previously mentioned who were imprisoned indefinitely. In fact, have a chat to any current pilots about fatigue and what happens if they complain. Talk to the training captains who objected to their conditions and how that was handled.
Nothing trumped-up about any of that no matter how you would like to dismiss it.:ugh:

3 Holer,

There's too much adverse commentary about life and working in certain ME countries and the manner in which employees are treated and respected. While some comment may be exaggerated, there is simply too much of it to be ignored. The adage 'where there's smoke, there's fire' I think applies in this case.

Dubai,

The only place in the world I have personally observed an airport security guard beat a downtrodden man in an airport queue with a baton - obviously a poor peasant labourer going home.

I was lucky enough to be in uniform and went straight for the officer in charge and with a bit of yelling tried to cause a bit of local shame as there was some international event happening in the place at the time.

There was no shame or compassion.

Very grateful for my circumstances and not this poor chaps.

Al - Mate, not sure what Indian construction workers, Filipino maids and executives (airline ?) have to do with this thread. Would like you to show me where I have "trumped up" facts surrounding this 777 incident or have been dismissive about any of them.

Ken, too much of what to be ignored?

ramble on, keep on rambling.:ok:

Had a friend who worked over there.
He was involved in a traffic accident.
23 days in prison before he could be released . . .

The inside of a Dubai prison is not a pleasant place.

Advice from a friend to a young "edgy" relative transiting through Dubai: "Buy and take brand new luggage because if your old crappy bags have even the smell of marijuana let alone a tiny unusable fragment in them you will be in the slammer".

BBC NEWS | UK | Tourists warned of UAE drug laws

British tourist Keith Brown was sentenced to four years in prison after Dubai customs officers found a 0.003g trace of cannabis stuck to his shoe"


Then of course there are the women jailed for reporting rape.

Dubai - the best reason not to fly through the middle east.

Sharia law - coming to a city near you.

Our advice to the agents of our family company years ago operating in various third world countries was to always carry your passport and an open dated air ticket to some place like Singapore. In the event of a traffic accident or any other unpleasantness LEAVE IMMEDIATELY, do not even return home to feed the dog.

Reefrat:

The problem we are referring to is the Racism of the UAE - which exists according to voluminous evidence, and is therefore a fit subject of discussion. THE FO involved, in my opinion, is going to need the good graces of the Australian Government if he is to see the light of day again, let alone pilot an aircraft. By definition, if a Dubai local was the pilot flying, then it can't have been his fault.

They hang people for drugs in Singas Sunfish. Any other good advice?

Can I also ask where you find this "definition" that it cant have been the UAE captain's fault?

The "in my opinion" that you use means "standby for Hysterical, paranoid BS."

donpizmeov.

The inside word is "The F/O was partly to blame for the accident as he did not provide sufficient support to the Captain".

Inside word from where?

The only official word is the preliminary report. Have you read it?

I am pretty sure the 777 is not a single pilot aircraft. There is a big difference between partly to blame, and as Sunfish puts it " by definition it can't be the locals fault".

Donpizmeov

I have read the 21 page Preliminary Report dated 5 SEP 2016. I presume you would be aware the report is not designed to apportion blame or liability. There is also reference to the Final Report having further information regarding the go-around procedure and an in-depth analysis of human factors.

The internal EK report will have some differences similar to the A340-500 A6-ERG accident report by the ATSB.

The ERG crew were out of the company by now. Not so with this crew. Until you have some facts, how about not spreading rumours.

Yeah:mad:

Anyone visiting here would think this is a RUMOUR network or something....

Grow up:mad: