Add two more to that. High level Govt corruption and kick backs from the money spinning corporate world of particular aviation operators.
Exactly what went on with the A340 incident. Crew specifically and consistently stated they were all chronically fatigued. Apparently a specific "safety bureau" ignored such statements and no mention of it whatsoever as being the contributing factor.
That's because weeeez got a multi, multi million dollar horse race to be sponsored now folks plus other under the table business dealings with a wink wink. ;):mad:

24 hours and bla bla bla...

ALL WRONG!

Hempy,
Plus one on the crew being in oz for more than 24hrs. Its been a while but I do remember being in contact with Capt sometime after the event while he was still in MEL chatting to those nice investigator types.
Any chance we can cut down on the hysteria as this poor fellas family could be reading this and they don't need to be scared by others paranoia.

Rat, good point. I emailed the ATSB (twice) to offer some additional information that was highly relevant to the circumstances surrounding the 340 accident (fatigue being one point but several other things that were part of the Swiss cheese). They did not even reply. Incompetent, arrogant, externally influenced, who knows...

That has to be the best statement on this whole thread. With the emphasis on paranoia.

1.- anybody knows why Captain Ibrahim Alseouni had only OVER 7000 hrs?
Being staff number 202xxx, how is that possible?
I estimate not less than 17 years in EK.

Another UAE prominent family Golden Boy?

2.- EK Media centre

http://www.emirates.com/media-centre...d-august-2016#

OPERATIONAL INCIDENT??? Aircraft crashed and burnt and it is an OPERATIONAL INCIDENT???

get out of there guys, you might be the next one...and you do not know it, because fatigue don't let you think about it...

3 Holer - with all due respect, given the politics of many of those countries and airlines, it is absolutely not paranoia.

However the good news is, after discussion with a bunch of colleagues at (or once at) EK, they believe the airline is sufficiently global and enough managerial and admin posts filled by capable westerners that it would be pretty unlikely that too much covering-up occurs.

Certainly they don't assign such benevolence to two very proximate neighbouring carriers but they believe Emirates to be reputable and given the constitution of it's workforce, unlikely to go too astray in this case. Perhaps wishful thinking but hopefully it eventuates this way.

Al E. Vator
Rubbish.
Fact.
Fact.
Paranoia.

What a nice fella you are Maligno grassing out an ex colleague. Your numbers are wrong by about three years. 777 FOs weren't working hard until recently so a bit over 7000hrs would be about right after you consider pre flying training at Parafield, Jet orientation course, the ATPL course, then Cadet training is all included? Did he start on the 310 and move across to the Boeing?
I hope when you make the headlines others show greater courtesy than you.

3 Holer - statements such as "rubbish" don't assess reality.

Have a browse through some of these articles widely available online - just to refresh your memory. Maybe they're from paranoid journalists? I make no claim as to their accuracy, just that they raise concerning issues.

Treatment of Staff:
http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/the-...xury-of-qatar-

The Dark Side of Dubai:
V. The Dunkin' Donuts Dissidents
The dark side of Dubai

UAE detention of foreigners:
An Australian nightmare in Dubai - Background Briefing - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

The point is that it needs to be assured that fairness and due process is undertaken in any investigation of the 777 crash, particularly for the FO. The Sunland executives would choke at your dismissive 'paranoia' comment.

Hopefully it eventuates that Emirates will ensure fairness and there is every reason to assume that as a reputable carrier this will happen. I know some great guys there so hopefully all will be fine. How on earth though, in light of the above articles, could that thought classed as paranoia?

For the FO's wellbeing, could it be suggested that the sooner a big campaign is mounted on his behalf, the better; just on the off chance that things may go awry at some stage?

Al E. Vator

You have answered your own question when you state :
Confused, hysterical perception of a situation without considering the factual accuracy of that situation, result in paranoia.

At this stage, it would be more beneficial to JW's friends and family to, focus only on the 777 incident and the facts surrounding that incident.

"INCIDENT" - you must be kidding

Any news on the crews status?

Crew were terminated with 72 hrs after the Melbourne accident seems a little different now...

Were they not re instated ? Later to be asked to leave to insure provident fund was received .

Just conjecture on my part, but he may have been employed in some other capacity before becoming g a cadet. The Cadet scheme is then about four years and they graduate as line FOs with around 800 hrs.

AFAIR they were never terminated as such, but it was made clear to them that it was in their best interest to leave.

I think what's different now is one, someone died and two, the Captain was a local.

Preliminary report
 

Here it is

https://www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/ePublicat...-%20A6-EMW.pdf

The lack of availability of slides - very scary.

Push the thrust levers up on a go around.

Pretty detailed for a preliminary report - and it took how long to publish?

CASA/ATSB take note.

"Pretty detailed for a preliminary report - and it took how long to publish."

Startling, we would still be waiting in a year or two's time if the event had have been in Australia.

The thing that stands out to me is how well the cabin crew performed in very trying circumstances. Multiple failures of equipment, non compliant passengers, smoke and fire, all the things there's no way you could possibly train for.
Yet they did their job in a cool professional manner.
I hope they all get the recognition they deserve.
The only blight on the whole event was the unfortunate death of the fire fighter, heart breaking.

Medals for the cabin crew!

It took the ATSB 40 days to come out with the preliminary report of the EK407 in 2009!

That is pretty much the same time as this one!