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Why would they want to fly in Australia? There is no work for them. Work that is there has already been snapped up.

I'm surprised you don't suggest kiwi air should buy the VARA FK50's and run them trans tasman? under 20tonne rule... right?


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wow you just don't get it. There's plenty of work in Australia for aircraft under 20 tonnes that aren't subject to any noise curfews.


Many Australian airlines are overburdened with bureaucracy, that NZL airlines aren't. Bureaucracy costs enormous amounts just to comply.




F50's only any good if the MTOW can be reduced to under 20 tonnes, as some were that came out of the factory, that weren't HGW models.

What work????

If that's the case you should set up your own consultancy service and be a broker, you make millions!

Oh wait... there is no business :mad::mad::mad:

skystone, if you can't see it, not going to tell you again.

It's Skystar...

I'm asking the question WHAT WORK? Australian operators would be happy to entertain you if it means giving them work

I keep telling you Australian AOC holders costs are too high. New Zealand AOC holders costs are much much less. Not having to deal with CASA must save them millions.

^^^^ Rubbish!

what's rubbish ? Are you trying to tell us all that dealing with CASA is just as easy as dealing with NZCAA ?

No, I am just saying that the difference between one or the other is not 'millions'.

it is millions if you are setting up in Australia, versus having everything already set up in New Zealand.

So what are you trying to say??

If two companies both setting up in their respective countries have to apply for a new AOC, are you saying the one in Australia will have to pay millions more for their AOC due to CASA regs?

Or are you stating the obvious that a company with an existing AOC in NZ could save a lot of money by using the NZ AOC in Australia as opposed to starting up there with a new CASA AOC

Where are all of these money making routes in OZ that a kiwi airline could exploit that don't require a government or state licence to fly the route?

Kiwi Regional Airlines pulling out of Queenstown at the end of the month.

obviously any NZ airline can fly within Australia without restriction. Don't even think they have to have much interaction with CASA.

Plenty of routes that aren't flown.

With much lower costs, a NZ airline, can operate thinner OZ domestic routes profitably, that an Australian airline can't make profitable.

Crazy but true.

It's like Australia paying the Kiwis something like $21 million a year to dump their wine in OZ, whereas the OZ winemaker gets SFA & has to pay tax on their wine.

small price to pay for better wine

Please give it a break BNEA320/TT738 its getting boring now. :=