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They still need an AOC. We'll see!

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I must be missing something, but given QN is a day-only airport, how do they expect to make these flights (particularly the evening one) for like 5 months of the year when it's dark at 6:05pm?

I may be wrong, but isn't Queenstown about to be approved for night operations?

Can't see there being night ops at ZQN for non-RNP-AR approaches or departures if night ops do commence.

20sec search shows a summer and winter sched on the website

their 1st Saab 340 arrived in NZL last week.


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Every aviation venture that this guy has touched has turned to crap, I wouldn't be too quick to put any money anywhere near it.

the actions of dodgy Air NZ, in sending Kiwi International to the wall, should have been challenged at the time. Freedom Air, operated at a loss, to kill them off. Highly illegal practices.


It should also be noted, that without a govt bailout, Air NZ wouldn't exist.

^^^ why should that be noted?? My point is that the last airline this guy was involved in resulted in lots of stranded passengers, aircraft being seized for non payment of airways charges and the director being convicted of 4 serious fraud charges, banned from operating a company for 5 years and the judge saying 'the director operated with NO moral regard'!

But hey, if you want to spend money on this venture don't let me stop you.

Just beacause a competitor puts you out of business doesn't stop you from pulling the pin earlier than this mob did resulting in 'misery' for lots of people.

I see Air NZ fares have dropped in some places and Jetstar hasn't even started flying the Q300s yet.

eh?

didnt know the operating accounts of freedom were public? and even if they were, whats illegal about selling something for less than it cost you?

Hmmm, I think Freedom operated for well after Kiwi folded, then the Freedom operation was rolled up into Air NZ mainline. I'm not sure your claim is correct.

Sure Air NZ took the battle to your friend Ewan, but only after he took them on head on. If he had stuck to routes not operated by Air NZ they would have left him alone. He didn't heed good advice though and cost a lot of people a lot of money.

As for the Air NZ bailout. Air New Zealand has to take some blame BUT the need for the bailout was largely brought about by dodgy underhand practices on the west side of the Tasman. The under arm bowling fiasco had nothing on the events that lead up to the bailout.

Ha ha. To all you people who think that air nz didn't employ bullying tactics to put kiwi international out of business, (along with origin and various predecessors) - what planet are you from? Watch this space as the shoe is now on the other foot - for once air nz isn't the biggest dog in the fight now that Jetstar is operating domestically. Ethical, no, but since when has business been about ethics?

qantas is bigger than the nz govt?

I am no defender of Air NZ but no one who sets up business in competition to anyone surely can't be surprised when the competitor uses its resources to squash you.

I don't get you saying that it is 'illegal' to lower your prices and make a loss to undercut your competitor. Many many businesses do exactly this to try and prevent a competitor gaining market share.

I find it rather funny that people believe that Air NZ should do nothing when someone else starts competing with them. At the end of the day they are a business and no business is happy when people spend their money with someone else doing the same thing.

The CEO and board will ultimately have to explain themselves to the shareholders if profitability goes up in smoke because someone else competes and the CEO and board do nothing about that.

And get over the whole Government Investment. Yes they bought 75% of the company some 14 years ago, this has now reduced to 52%. They have no responsibility to the NZ Government other than providing income to the Government in the form of both taxes and dividend payments.

apparently Wilson stretched the truth to a few wanka bankers, who didn't do their due diligence. How can you feel sorry for wanka bankers who didn't do their jobs.

He also left a lot of other innocent folk out of pocket, people who did their jobs, not just the bankers you refer to.

apparently?

you wouldnt have a fkn clue.

& waren you have a clue ??????

Now that might be a tad embarrassing since I think two of the head honchos in the KiwiAir operation recently worked at CAA.

yeh I don't think they have any reason to not grant the AOC. Statute of limitations.

Bush Lawyer -
 

Statute of Limitations does not apply - the test is 'a fit and proper person'. The basis for determining that goes back to the day you were born if needs be.

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proving flight(s) next week, start regular ops week after. Apparently many small towns in New Zealand are lining up to try & get Kiwi to fly to their airport.


Makes sense, as long as the big black rat(NZ) don't fly the exact route.


Wonder if 2nd aircraft is on its way yet.

Yawn who cares Yawn

the black rat isnt concerned.

the orange rat will do black rats work on ewan for free.

And then the orange rat will go to work on the black rat.
5 planes, 15 planes , 35 planes, who cares, it's just a drop in the bucket man.

maybe. but thats for another thread.

9 jets plus 5 dh8s will be 14 very soon, yes?

whos going bust first? ewan or robert?

I dunno but the whole thing plays into the hands of the adage that the industry looks totally different every ten years.if I had to bet I would say Jetstar and ANZ will find a way to live with each other and everyone else will slip away.

once they have their NZ AOC they could feasibly fly domestically in Australia but under NZCAA rules not CASA rules. think Vincent NZL did that with their BAE146 til May last year.

Yep, that worked out well for Vincent :ugh:

Doesn't matter what kiwi airs competition is, they will be bust within a year and lots of people will be out of pocket. You simply can't fly that schedule through ZQN with a single SAAB and not suffer massive disruption along the way, I hope they have a massive fund for passenger recovery around the country.

BNEA320, FFS they have 1 Saab, why do you think they would try to operate in Oz? :ugh: Yes Vincent did that with the 146, but they also had a base in Darwin with VH reg aircraft. The 146 was the downfall of Vincent (sort of) and finished them off. This is not a thread about Vincent so I’ll stop there.

Ollie, agreed. I’ve been wondering for some time where the money from the pre-booked tickets (if any) is currently sitting?

I wish them luck but there’s no AOC at the moment, proving flights yet to be done, and the FPP to pass for some.

One aircraft will present problems due unserviceability, and scheduled maintenance. Do they / will they have a maintenance presence at any of their scheduled ports of call?

As a round up, there are a lot of questions regarding this startup which I guess will come out in the wash………….. I guess we just watch this space……….

Saab 340's are cheap to lease or buy esp A models, esp cf. similar sized Dash 8's. No 2 & 3 can't be that far away.

Unless you're a collector, you need work for the aircraft to justify to your backers that you should buy or lease it. So far they haven't proven they have work for the one they already have.

I guess things aren't looking too rosy for Ewan:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/7...tor-ban-ageist

and

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/7301...d-ticket-sales

But hey, any publicity must be good publicity... right?

Had to laugh when I saw the photo of that tractor.

With regard to Queenstown, nobody is particularly happy with the airport operator but if gate 1 is good enough for the ATR pax it's good enough for the Saab pax as well - if there are any.

Wow, ticket sales have been awful on the DUD-ZQN sector. Who would've guessed ...