So keep them on domestic or Rh seat international or cull. We know which option the MD supports. Having a red hot go at continuing the ECP.

No comment required. :ugh:

I hope you don’t mind a second intervention by a simple PAX in your deliberations in this thread, but as one who puts some of their somewhat limited resources into paying some of those of you up fronts wages each month, (if ANZ Bank has enough foreign currency to transfer payment to your homeland – presently I’m three months behind), I do have another observation to make.

I just received a package from ANG for my ANG Destinations Executive Club card. All gold and pretty and my name surprisingly spelled correctly.

In the bag was a magazine entitled Paradise Annual 2018! A chunky brochure extolling the delights of PNG and full of the ads you see in the Paradise Magazine you see on board any Pixie flight. OK this is PNG and they are not quite ready for the 2019 edition by mid April.

I took to reading the magazine as yet again the Internet was down and the think was the nearest thing to read in the gloom. There was a wonderful message from the Chairman of ANG.

“Air Niugini now flies regularly to and from most of the major centres in the Asia-Pacific region, including Hong Kong, Singapore, Tokyo, Manila, Bali, Sydney, Brisbane, Cairns, Townsville, Nadi, Honiara, Pohnpei, and Chuuk”.

Wonderful.

I hope that someone tells him for the 2019 edition that ANG only fly daily to two of the destinations, and no longer fly to three of them. Oh yes he brags about passenger and freight services to Shanghai. I’ve noticed that the posters advertising those flights have recently been taken down at the Waterfront Mall.

The more interesting thing and maybe appropriate lines come later.

“…we will soon be preparing in earnest for the arrival of two new Boeing 737-MAX aircraft in 2020, with two more to follow in 2021”.

Try as I might, I’ve not read of any concerns about the purchase or not of these four aircraft since the sad episodes in Indonesia and Ethiopia. Are any of you up front scheduled for training on these aircraft. Any of you any idea about the purchase?

By the way, yes there have been a few issues with my ANG flights but those of you up front, and the boys and girls of the airline taking care of us in the back do a great and professional service - even if some of you are around the age of 65.!!!

I know, I said I would stay out of it....BUT.

Chop, you say that "The MD is having a red hot go'.... Well yes, he does TALK THE TALK, but no walking yet.....I suggest that if any PX pilot thinks he is a friend, they should remember that he has come from QF, learnt his management skills from QF, and dont forget that QF locked it pilots out of the workplace (and made them resort to wearing red ties :}.)

Your point regarding Cadets, you might just very well be a newcomer to PX, BUT ACTUALLY AM had nought to do with the conditions of the Cadets.

HISTORY.....In order to cut costs (to survive?, or make bonuses? or whatever) the then Management of PX and the GMFO came up with the idea that the Cadets who had made Command would be designated as DH8 Cadet Captains, with the big gotcha being that they would be paid a Cadet Captain salary, a big discount to the "REAL DH8 CAPTAINS"

This led to several EXTREMELY (and I mean extremely talented) Cadets leaving for other fields.....so the then Management changed the package to once again follow what the previous system was, and enjoyed by many of the current 767 Captains. SO Mr CHOP, the current conditions for the Cadets had nothing to do with the now MD, it was all done and dusted well before he got there....but keep blowing smoke....

To your point that DCT entry are better off than ever, in 2015 I suffer a 19% deficit in salary, that has continued to more than 24% deficit in 2019. Supported by the fact that the two Unions spent over 600,000 Kina, and ANG prob spend a Mil plus (2 Mill +???) on its International Law Firm, and Australian Queens Council to defend itself suggests that your assertion that everybody is better of is maybe slanted a little towards your management thoughts.

But I do ponder that perhaps you might not be simply a stirrer as suggested, just perhaps someone supportive of the Pilot cause in that you have continued to keep this as a top 5 post....and are dragging out the real facts that relate to PX. If so, keep on doing so, as you are doing an excellent job.

Debate is good...but truth and facts are better, are they not??

If it is the later I salute you, if it is the former well I think you may be somewhat deluded.

(PS Chop: send me your email address and Ill send you the pay scales, conditions and also contract for 2012 and you can compare them to the 2015, 16, 17, 18, 19 nil progression pay scales, and then you can try and argue how much better we are not off :) ).

Loud Handle...sorry that I may have come across bitter and twisted...I can assure you that I am not at all, simply putting the facts and the truth out there...but thanks for your concerns, it is appreciated. :ok:

My sources tell me recently 3 were terminated with a total of 700 hours line training between them and none checked to line. There have been a few more before them but 4th floor doesn't care about these costs and will not listen to C&T Captains of Fleet Managers. How many times have they heard keep training them until they pass.

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Not much Duck​​​ :} but never fear cos at least they now have Chop Chop ​:ugh:​​​​​.

OK time to get back on track.

I have been informed tonight that the long awaited decision will be handed down tomorrow (25th) at 9.30am

So lots of emails doing the rounds about THE DECISION being handed down in the am tomorrow.

To bring up to date...Air Niugini Management already lost this court case a few years ago...the Judge stated that ANG Management had under duress implemented the 2015 Pilot Contract...but ANG never being one to admit error appealed that ruling. It is the ANG Appeal result that is being given tomorrow at 930.

And if there is any Justice in PNG (as slow as it is!!!!) ANG will again be found to have used duress in the implementation of the 2015 contract,..... despite the huge amount of Kina dropped on their expensive international law firm and expensive Australian Queens Council.

Would imagine a loss for PX will hurt the bottom line by some millions, 4 years of each pilot making a claim for up to the 20% of the salary that was had taken through "duress".

Management losses since the original court ruling,

the CEO has left,
the Chairman of the Board has left
the GM Flight Ops is no longer the GMFO...

So leaves one or two (including PNG's best HR Manager) maybe feeling a little nervous about a court appearance tomorrow morning.

I know where I will be at 930 tomorrow!!!!!!!