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ANZAC Day ruling is very befitting & good luck lads.
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Thought I would be clever and look up the result.
Went to Account Suspended More bills not paid by the guvment? Oh well will have to wait for the usual reliable sources updates. :ok: |
The decision is out and is not good news at all.
Those in attendance from their understanding believe the judges ruled the unions don’t have the authority to negotiate on the individual pilots regard. They also ruled the unions have to pay all court costs including Poxies. |
Very sad to hear guys.
So not much point in being in a Union in PNG then, esp if there is no authority for the Union to negotiate on behalf of you. NOW Even less reason for anyone to work for Air Nogat seeing that you will be on your lonesome in any industrial style negotiations. |
Update: see post 1373
Just received, link to a pdf of the decision. (give it time to load) Court Decision |
I departed PX in July 2015.It was obvious back then that the PM (the very (dis-) honourable Peter O-steal,) had the justice system & police hierarchy in his back pocket.Brave move to proceed with the court challenge.It did look good,for a short time, but not in the long term, it now appears! Best thing that could happen now is “mass evacuation” back to the real world & leave PX to their own devices.It might be enough to push it over the edge.Good Luck to those still there.But the writing is well & truly “on the wall”! |
PNG justice dealt. So sorry guys but probably inevitable.
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The result isn’t surprising, good luck to the troops still standing over there. |
I guess this is the end of Air Niugini. It’s impossible to see anyone choosing to remain and without crew they can’t operate. All this bodes well for competitors and new entrants. Fingers crossed there will be plenty of jobs with decent T&Cs for all those experienced and well trained pilots from PX. |
Seems to be a flow of pilots from the neighbouring pacific island nations migrating to PNG, which I think may be their lifeline in terms pilot recruitment and retention for a while, particularly given the fact that some of the other island nations can train pilots. Probably some creative motivation behind this fact that may actually be the grand plan. |
I agree with Duck Pilot. I hear there is no shortage of applications. Obviously PNG experience may be lost but even if PX pays zero they will come. In other parts of Asia (Pacific) people pay to fly. |
Definitely won’t be the end of ANG but less motivation for the boys to stay. I’m guessing it part of the final solution. There must be close to 240 pilots at ANG. Broad spectrum of age & experience. Load of Hevilift applications have been seen at ANG Haus. Guessing due to the lack of Kina and trouble paying salaries. |
On thing’s for sure, it won’t be the same. During the Australian pilots strike in 1989 the airlines were able to recruit well qualified and experienced pilots even if they were the S word. ANG will be scraping the bottom of the barrel with a very long spoon. |
em tasol !
"A completely predictable future is already the past"
Allan Watts. |
Bit of an ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM moment that needs to be addresed I'd say....
So, (for what ever reason?????)....Air Niugini won the Appeal against both Pilot Unions...NAPU and PNG APA and even the pilot Piokole... THEN NAPU & PNGAPA & Pilot PIOKOLE are judged to have to pay ALL THE LEGAL COSTS OF ANG, AND ALL THE COURT COSTS....not only the cost of the Appeal, but also the cost of the previous court cases that the unions actually won!!! Someone mentioned that ANG has probably spend one or two Mil on it lawyers, QC's etc etc, so what if NAPU, THE PNG APA AND PIOKLE don't have that sort of money?. So if the Unions dont have enough money, does that mean ANG goes the pilots that were members of the Unions that took ANG to Court. What about those that left after it started, but before the Court was finished? And if ANG does go individual pilots , how focused will those pilots be wondering how much they will be hit up for, will any expat Union member even stay in country, and how many National Pilots will give it up and go home. Freaking can of worms....and when it comes to flying is such an environment such as PNG. Pretty sure I wouldnt want to be a passenger going to the highlands in crap weather with the pilots wondering if the company was going to sue them for outstanding legal costs!!! Yep, the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, needs to be addressed pretty quickly I say. |
I don't think it's that complicated. The costs are awarded only against those Respondents mentioned in the Judgement. If they don't have the money, they don't have the money. What follows, they get declared bankrupt, the creditors including ANG share the spoils of what's left. Any shortfall, bad luck.
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The AFAP had a $6.5 million damages decision hanging over their head for several years post the 1989 Dispute.
It was ultimately never demanded. |
APA could make ANG profitable again if forced to pay. |
Originally Posted by geeup
(Post 10456823)
There must be close to 240 pilots at ANG. Broad spectrum of age & experience. From the seniority list published 31 Dec 2017 they had 164. Since then they have employed and kept 20 Captains and 25 F/O's but 33 others have either left or got the sack. Of the 45 employed, 8 were reemployed pilots. Given the increase in their fleet they are still in trouble finding and retaining crew. And they "won", maybe not. |
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