All the salaries should be pegged at the AUD, regardless of the place of domicile, especially if they want to encourage pilots to be PNG based.

It's very interesting that you they have thrown touring options on the table. I was under the impression that tours were never going to be an option again.

PX management (& Govt!) Hate "Tours", that its back on the table is a true sign of their desperation.

Some points to remember:

Prior to the enforced contract pilots had 6 weeks leave, this was reduced to 4 weeks along with a 20% - 30% pay reduction. The new non negotiated contract now offers an additional 2 or 4 weeks but with a further pay reduction of 5% or 10%. Better off? No a further reduction.

Expats are not allowed to be paid super, the 8.4% is only for the Nationals.

Tours are for Kiwi's only as previously. Lose the kiwi's and you lose The C&T pilots - Link then has a serious C&T problem. Nothing new here.

The experience bonus has always been there, once again nothing new.

Any new hiree will not be able to get a gig in PX as they will on the LPNG seniority list only and not entitled to bid for PX positions.

Once again a non negotiated contract with the company still in court over exactly the same situation.

Worlds best HR manager at his best.

A further thought - how long is this contract valid for? Until "mutually agreed" as per the contract under dispute was valid until (Ha), or for some defined period?

Any newcomers should be very wary. There are some great folks at PX and link, but I would take any "contract" as being good for only as long as management want to it be for...

Maybe the tide is turning and the worlds best HR manager has finally met his match!

The Waigani National Court has stayed the termination of eight national Air Niugini pilots after they were terminated between Sept 1st and 15th over allegations of misconduct.

Their lawyer Moses Murray successfully obtained a stay order that was issued by Justice Collin Makail this afternoon against their termination.

Captains Joseph Kumasi, Vincent Tonga, Norman Daniel, Boris Ageda, Benjamin Lopa, and first officers Elijah Yuangi, David Seken and Abel Kanego, have been allowed by the court to resume work, pending the hearing of the judicial review.

The decision of the National Court today came after leave was granted for a judicial review into their respective terminations.

Air Niugini has also been restrained from evicting the pilots from its properties.

First Officer David Seken was evicted from the Air Niugini accommodation on Sept 30.

The court today issued an order to Air Niugini to allow him to return to his place of residence until further orders of the court.

Their lawyer will have 21 days from today to file the review documents. They are expected back in court on Nov 7.

The fundamental issue that the court will deal with in the review hearing is how the pilots were dealt with administratively over disciplinary matters.

They were terminated by Air Niugini for refusing to attend to the company’s approved doctor for a second medical opinion after they provided medical certificates for days they missed work on.

They were also terminated for failing to report for duty for reasons of security concern, and sharing Facebook posts that called for civilians not to go for work during the month of July.

Between July 13 and 20, 2016, Air Niugini experienced a sudden increase in the number of national pilots reporting sick and unable to attend work after a stop-work took place, calling on Prime Minister Peter O’Neill to step down from office. The stop-work was not an industrial issue and began on 13 July.

They were terminated because they did not turn up for work, which resulted in many flights being interrupted and many passengers stranded during the stop-work period.


Court stays termination of pilots | Loop Tonga

The efficiency of the 4th floor never ceases to amaze.

Recently released FSO Fokker Fleet Leave Bids 2017 was published on 29/09/2016.

Stated: Bids are to be submitted by 16th October 2017

Published blocks available are for 2016!

Must make sense to someone but of concern is that the FSO was signed off by the Fleet Manager (expat) and Toofar.

What finger? What button?

The scheduled court hearing for yesterday was postponed until today because there were too many cases to be heard.

I am expecting an update tonight.

The update is that PX lawyers have not signed the paperwork as required by the court. Case is rescheduled to 20th October.

Stalling tactic's, PX are obviously hoping that all the pilots resign before the case gets to be heard, with no pilots all the problems will go away, Ray and Sam can kiss,cuddle and pat each other on the back and Simon can hide away in Rabaul and pretend the Airline is running just fine.
All good, problems solved,
Also if they leave all those pilotless planes sitting on the hardstand for long enough the squatters will move in, solving another png social problem of no cheap accomadation.

Its just a win win situation..........

Well it's working. Three more resignations, to carriers offering far better terms and conditions.

Link PNG trying to Recruit again
 

Link PNG are or will be advertising for direct entry Captains and F/Os for the old and beat up dash 8 fleet.

The old adage let the buyer beware applies!!!!!!!!!!

The exodus of expats over the last 20 months should be a good indicator of what the real terms and conditions are like let alone the ongoing legal action against PX regarding the unnegotiated contact change in 2015.

PX mainline's last recruitment drive was far from a success:ugh::ugh::ugh:.

Here it is...

AviationJobs.Me Flight Crew: DHC-8 Rated and Non Type Rated First Officers Link PNG

So much for Pixie management telling us all at the end of 2014 that all expats will be gone within 5 years. And that the cadet program was the answer to our replacement.

Less than 24 months later here is the same management advertising internationally for Dash 8 First Officers.
What has happened to the cadet program?

When I departed there were at least 20 cadets coming through per year onto the line? Anybody know how many cadets have started the training program this year?

To all my friends still there at Pixie, I hope the job lasts long enough for each of you to find greener pastures... even a 5 year drought would provide those greener pastures.

Hopefully someone within management, or the PNG Government, can see whats happening and step in to turn things around before it continues too-far.

Bit of a targeted ad one would say considering the salaries are quoted in SA Rand. The next round will also include Albanian Lek and Sudanese Pound.

They done a recruiting road show in Africa a few years ago, with no success.

Has any current or ex ANG pilots pitched an application into Qantas recently? Lots of hiring about to commence right throughout the Qantas group I hear.

South Africans moving to Port Moresby. From the pot into a super hot frying pan wouldn't you say . Perhaps they can do 3 and 3 and get dumped in Singapore or Aussie on the px network
to find their own way home

Last few days would have proven to be problamatic in connecting anywhere on the PX network, esp international...sori nogut!!!!!

Am told other PNG operators like HeavyLift, PNG Air do equal time tours....and fund tickets ANYWHERE on the globe. ATR types rather than just a classic Dash as well, and from what I hear they are short too.

Good to see a bit of an increase the pay scales though. Seems someone is starting to disbelieve the fairy tale about trees in PNG that grow pilots willing to work for naught.

ARP,
I think it has gone toofar and PX has reached its PNR..........End of Days for Pixie me thinks.

Onya Simon. I knew you didn't have it in you 😏

PngAir fund tickets to BNE tasol and are losing pilots on regular basis due to poor terms and conditions as well.

Faheel

Yes, the loss of pilots on a regular basis must be a major problem in PNG, (PX almost 100 pilots in a little less than 2 years!!).

The cost of training, loss of revenue due uncrewed flights, etc etc, must greatly outweigh the cost of reasonable conditions needed to retain experienced crew.

Beancounters would know better I suppose.

Ahhhhh Beancounters.....Ya gotta luv Em They know the price of everything.....but the value of nothing!

HR Managers as well!!!

On a brighter note and in recognition of a life time of achievement. Captain Lekwa Gure retires after 40 years of safe aviating. Credit where it is due chaps.

Well done Captain Gure. It was a pleasure to know you. I always considered you one of the good guys.

time to join the retired old farts club Lekwa...well done :D:D:D

Court proceedings update:

THE sitting on the 20th went ahead and the following rulings were made:

1. Plaintiff's to file and serve their affidavits by 30th October.
2. Parties to return to court on 2nd Nov for fixing a trial date before December 2016

The end is nigh!

Well done Capt Lekwa Gure.
It was a pleasure to know and work with you.

I have an admittedly rather vague idea, that I once met the above mentioned Gentleman one evening at the 'Club Dero,' way back in my 'taim bilong PNG.' (Somewhere between Jan 1990 and mid 92):confused:

Either way, Well done, Sir!:ok:

Lekwa was an occasional visitor to the swamp!

Sadly I never had the pleasure of flying with Lekwa although he was always an inspiration to talk to. Congratulations Lekwa (if you read this forum), I wish you all the best for a well deserved retirement.

I had the privilege of associating with Capt. Lekwa Gure during my tenures in the PNG in 2008 and 2012. A true and trustworthy gentleman.
Well done. Best wishes from another island, pretty far away. :D

Well done Lekwa! Now you can join the rest of us who can say they worked for the second worst international airline in the world [still looking for the worst].

"Plumber Fast Bum" (posts 1) Welcome aboard.Interesting monika,is there a story to go with it? cheers Maus

Plumber Fast Bum...

Gold! :8

Long story, Maus. Goes way back to Ansett days. Would need quite a few beers to retell.

For those that don't know him here is a good photo of S.T.
aka Sammies gone Toofar

Sam

False Advertising
 

Be aware that the latest PX ads advertise 18 days on 10 days off . This is a falsehood. You will not get 10 consecutive days off and if you live anywhere else but Port Morbid you will be commuting on your "days off" back to your domicile. So in reality you maybe home for only 5 or 6 full days in 28.

Port Morbid not a real option for families with the high cost of education be just one thing to consider.

The average of 2 pilots departing every 3 weeks as reported in post 397 is continuing.

There has been another 3 departures in October with another to be announced this week.

That now makes 100 have left since the arrival of the world's best HR manager and his introduction of the ECP.

Having been shown schedules 123,123A and 123B which shows greatly increased flying, guys are left scratching their heads as to how the schedules could be crewed.

By 123A there will be 3 less Dash skippers, 3 less Fokker F/O's and that is only the ones confirmed. More waiting for start dates or interviews in the new year.

Un rostered flights can only be covered by so called "RES", daily roster changes and extended duty for only so long.

Sooner or later management will have to lower themselves and communicate with those at the coal face,....but then again it would probably be be easier and more face saving just to cut the schedule once again.

PX would be a good study in how it is possible to ground an airline (that by its nature currently a current dependancy on Expats) by totally and wholly alienating its pilot group.

Latest court update from my very reliable source:

The pilot's lawyer filed the required affidavits on 31st Oct.
Poxie now wants to respond and the the judge approved so long as they are received "well before" the 24th Nov which is when a trial date is set.
Reportedly will be before the end of this year.

I notice that since 30 October Qantas have been operating a daily BNE-POM service using a 737. I thought I read somewhere that they were terminating services to PNG at the end of October but it may have been the CNS-POM service I guess.