Hi ain't called toofar for nothing. Don't worry I am sure the management will have a big prayer session around the board table on ANH 4 or Rei's inner sanctum on ANH 3 and guarantee all that sail on the good ship PX will be safe for ever and a day . Perhaps they could also be granted their most sacred of wishes to get rid of those pesky racist expats.

It has been a while since I received any solid information but finally it is at hand.

In summary:

• The application to appeal PNGAPA being excluded from the original Ruling was made on 12th September.
• This application was successful.
• The Judge suggested that this appeal be heard in conjunction with Poxies appeal against the original Ruling.
• PNGAPA lawyers are to prepare and present an “Index to review book”. This is now being done with the support and assistance of Poxies laywers.
• This document should be filed before the actual hearing date.
• All parties shall return to court on 16th October 2017 at 9.30am for directions.

There is anticipation that the appeals will be heard sometime in December.

Any update of events on the 16th of October?

It was a directions hearing and I am awaiting details. Will post as soon as I have them.

I am not one for rumours as I only post validated information but I did have a giggle at the one doing the rounds at the moment and that is that Wassi is returning.

Maybe Simon Says is on the way out?? Damage control??

So tours are being offered for those on the Fokker fleet. Although I’m yet to read the small print (and there will be a fair amount I bet) this new offering from above will be welcomed by many. With new contracts having to be signed......is this management starting to see the light or a “divide and conquer” move? Interesting times. Your views Olderairhead?

Tours are being offered under the 2015 contract conditions. Question is when Poxie loses the appeal will those on tour be bound by the 2015 contract or will the tours be removed as all conditions relate to the 2015 contract. I have been provided with a copy of the FSO and will post it when I convert it to Word.

They also advertised for Dash Captains on Seek and you don't necessarily need Command time or time in country. Terms are not disclosed but they would have to be 2015 conditions. These tour options have not been offered to current Dash crew.

https://www.seek.com.au/job/34644125?type=standout&userqueryid=7df2f5d018bf42b9a48006b2f c8bac77-3536884

The FSO

SUBJECT: Tours on the Fokker Fleet

Air Niugini is planning to implement Tours on the Fokker Fleet operation only. Tours will be open to citizen and expatriate crew operating on the Fokker Fleet.

Tours will be available in accordance with the following conditions:

• 2 year contract with the terms and conditions as per 2015 Pilot Contract,as applied through the 2017 Variations.
• The Employer at its discretion may offer tours to Pilots as allowed for under Part 122 Subpart E or an FRMS system.
• Clause 2.8 Secondary Employment of the 2015 Pilot Contract and Rule Part 122.53(b) Crew Member Responsibilities apply to Tour Pilots.
• Home base for a Tour Pilot shall be Port Moresby. The pilot may choose to domicile from an Air Niugini destination point. A ticket shall be provided to and from this selected point unless they are rostered to operate in our out from this point. Right to abode is the pilot's responsibility. Any other points chosen outside of the network point are at the pilots own time and cost.
• Air Niugini will offer Type "A" Tours only:
o Max of 28 days availability for Duty, followed by
o At least 21 days free of all duty.
• There will be a planned roster period of 21 On / 21 Off.
• KPI of 700 hours per annum OR ~88 hours per tour of duty can be expected.
• Hourly rate of K375/hour will be paid for flight hours above 88 hours on each tour
• The Annual Bonus rates for full time pilots will apply to Tour pilots
• Exceptions to the 2015 Pilot Contract Amended are as follows:
o Tour Pilots shall not accrue, nor shall they be entitled to take Annual Leave.
o Tour Pilots shall be entitled to seven (7) days Sick Leave per calendar year. Unused sick leave shall accumulate each year, up to a maximum of 14 days in 2 years. This may be cashed in after this period, per the contract terms, as the count shall be started again at the start of the next two years.
o Tour Pilots will be provided with accommodation whilst on tour of duty in Port Moresby on a shared apartment basis. For company overnights outside of Moresby accommodation and allowances will be provided.
o Tour pilots will receive meals whilst on operational duty, and an allowance of K100 per day while off duty during a tour in PNG.
o Whilst on tour the Employer shall be responsible for transportation of Tour Pilots to and from duty.
• No Reserve Days will be rostered for Tour Pilots whilst on a tour of duty.

Well so far it’s looks very good although if it really is to be 88 hours per tour week three will be a bit of an up hill adventure.

PX Management "Absolutely HATE" Tours!!This development would confirm they are now ,officially, "Absolutely Desperate" to crew (Fokker) flights,it seems.Question is, does application for tours (and acceptance) imply endorsement of the reviled 2015 contract?

Poxie may be offering tours but still have not paid outstanding contributions to AON. Last payment was for June.

One member did pressure Poxie for payment and his is up to date but bugger everyone else.

Not legal Poxie.

EOI does not mean it will happen. Just a tactic to slow departures.

To quote a cliche "Beware of Indians 🐻 bearing gifts"

Agreed Mangi fokker, this is just a delay tactic to keep pilots there for the xmas period, not paying Aon contributions, promises of tours, promotion ect all very desperate tactics.

Well if I were there and not being paid my superannuation I would not be working until I got it.

About time to stand up to the stand over tactics, espectially when it is your money they are not paying, what crap employer takes money from your pay and doesnt put it in your bank.

Time to withdraw labour until it is paid.....another words a good reason to go on strike....geez you guys got screwed over on a contract, got screwed on a court case, now they are not paying super...what else are you going to put up with!!!

The PM has an aeroplane crewed by PX pilot's, wrong!

The PM now has an aeroplane crewed by one fully employed pilot. The other, the Captain, is now a contract pilot. They have no backup. The backup they had refuses the B scale payment.

A lot more to this story but cannot be revealed at this stage.

Maybe when the PM changes his plans and has no-one to crew the flight can more be revealed.

The following communication from the PNGAPA lawyers was made available to me and is self explanatory.

Firstly, good news for all APA members. The good news is that when I last appeared before, His Honour Kassman J, the lawyers for Air Niugini informed me that they will not raise any objection or raise any issue with APA being included in the order at the hearing of the Supreme Court. In other words, our review application to include APA in the appeal will not be challenged.

Secondly, during the last directions hearing, Kassman J consolidated our Supreme Court Review (SCR) No. 87 of 2017 and Supreme Court Appeal (SCA) No. 83 of 2017 be consolidated and the court order and our Review Application be incorporated into the Appeal Book. Following theses orders, Kassman J directed parties to return to court on Monday 23 October 2017 to confirm compliance of the orders which we did and His Honour made further orders that the matter is listed for Chief Justice to allocated a Hearing date on 6th November 2017. On 6 November 2017 I will return to court and confirm the hearing date.

We hope to get the hearing date in the month of December 2017 to complete the matter. I will provide further brief to you after 6th November 2017 and confirm the hearing date.

Just received this update.

At the hearing on November 6 a court date was set being December 11.

One day has been set aside.

In the morning the the appeal by Poxie on the original decision will be heard and in the afternoon the "review" of the PNGAPA being excluded from the original decision will be heard.

Of note is that Poxies lawyers will not be contesting the PNGAPA "review" but supporting them as they believe the Judge made an error by excluding them.

It has now been 3 years since the forced introduction of the contract and after the hearing on the 11th a final decision will be handed down which I am led to believe cannot be contested.

Just a matter of waiting now for the final verdict.

Thanks for the update Olderairhead and I wish the pilots the best of luck, however unfortunately I bet my left nut you will be giving us updates on this sad state of affairs well into 2018.

The predicted exodus of pilots has commenced.

3 nationals and 1 expat have handed in their resignations today. All on the Fokker fleet. Word is this is just the start. More to come very very soon.

4th floor did not see this one coming and will be in for a big surprise very soon.

This would be poxie exodus 2. A continuation of the horror movie. Produced by simple Simon , the Italian pretender and a ring in from Pakistan. Directed by the blue lagoon and Too far.

Hearing whispers of the number 7. And all Captains too. That will hurt.

A decision before Christmas is also on the cards.

If it is so good maybe you should ask the 3 cadets who just completed their command ground school why they quit.

Also tours are not on offer to currently employed pilots, except for the kiwis and a couple of others.

Not employed as a recruitment agent are we saabs?

[QUOTE Not employed as a recruitment agent are we saabs?[/QUOTE]

I doubt that very much. I'd say he's only giving a friendly heads up.

Thats not what I am being told.

Better than Air Nelson -Was that before or after the recent Air Nelson contract upgrade? They now have more money and more days off. And domilce location might be flexible within the next year or two.
This is an atempt to stem the outflow of nz crew, who are picking up the local and foriegn jet jobs. I havent hear of anyone leaving for a turboprop job. There are just too many options at the moment.

Rumour from the 4th floor was that the cadets had resigned and reapplied as direct entry Captains with Link so they would get better pay rather than stay with Poxie and be paid cadet wages. hahahahaha good one.

Simon Says called 2 of them in today and wanted to give them 24 hours to reconsider and also offered the promise of better wages and conditions. Trust me I am Simon Says.

But the truth of the matter is that Hong Kong is a destination of choice and one months pay up there is equivalent to a full years pay with Poxie.

Me thinks Simon Says is in for a rude shock especially when another 7 (rumoured at this stage) follow the leaders.

There is only so many times you can kick a dog before it retaliates.

Oh let the games begin. I only hope that they all have the metal and fortitude to carry it through and depart. Not like many of those who have gone before them and got cold feet at the last moment.Being afraid of not being the bigmen any more. The old bigfish in a ****ty little pond or a small fish in the big wide world pond .

Another National cadet has resigned.

Total Cleanout Required.
 

Whale oil beef hooked.
It is simply staggering how the successive Board members and other hierarchy can just sit back and watch about 4 incompetent (can't be called management) flunkies systematically, almost personally, destroy the once great world class airline that we knew, and yet not take any action whatsoever against these incompetent individuals who are actively involved in reverse racism, amongst other activities.
The legal costs alone need questioning, let alone the total lack of managerial integrity shown over recent years. A total cleanout is required to prevent what many have been forecasting and prophesying, and it can't happen soon enough.
The waste of 44 years worth of training, huge loss of experience and skill, and the subsequent erosion of goodwill is damn near incalculable.

As told by Cadets....Cadetship finally finished after 8 - 10 years..so ofto the DH8 for the first command, ground school finished but now told that they will now be "Cadet Captains" and not Line Captains as happened in past, not proper Captains until they get their jet command.

Wow, One way of saving money, but ay Simon the financial problem is bigger than saving pennies.

Considering the Grand Chiefs Independents day speeches, the Chief would be ashamed of how Pixie is treating its National Cadets, meant to be the future of PNG.

I have been hearing rumours of serious financial problems for PX such as non payment to NAC for the previous 12 months, owing the builders of the new PX hotel many many millions of Kina (38?) as well as Simon Says going begging for 100 million kina and then I received the following:

PNG’s NATIONAL FLAG CARRIER IS STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE
PNG’s National Flag carrier (Air Nuigini) is really struggling to survive in PNG’s Airline Industries at the moment. As a concerned citizen, I am very worried how this company has been managed so far…
While the airline’s financial situation is deteriorating, some executives are spending more time entertaining young junior staff. Who is that Expat Executive of the National Flag Carrier caught many times with his pants down with junior staff at the Air Niugini office car park?? He was also punched by a supplier twice for bullying local suppliers. Is he concerned with the deteriorating financial situation? Appears not.
If he was a ‘bilak sikin’ he would have bitten the dust long ago. In one instance, he wrecked a company car after an all night binge with one of his junior officers. This matter was of course swept under the carpet. He called in security to rescue them, the security appears not to have filed an incident report, or if they did, no action resulted from it. Bilak sikins have been sacked for similar offences. He was seen with yet another junior staff in very compromising situation at PX HQ car park, again no action. Official meetings, mostly unnecessarily long meetings, with young, nubile girls are frequent, and minutes of banter and small talk always preludes any official discussion. Seems he is always on the lookout for potential suitors.
He jets off to Brissy every two weeks or so to see the misis and con her into thinking everything is fine. Meanwhile, PX is in serious financial situation. Creditors are owed tens of millions, and counting, and this executive sees fit to spend his time fulfilling his libido and travelling.
This same executive was collared in his office by an irate creditor who is owed tens of thousands for the new residential building. Happened in front of all his staff. He was rescued by some of his staff.
Most people working at PX HQ are aware of these morons’ deeds, and many ‘executive’ managers also know. When will PX management and the Board get rid of this guy?
The PNGs only airline carrier is financially broke, while their attempt to get a K100million loan from BSP was rejected outright due to poor financial performance for the last couple of years showing signs of going nowhere.
Their fourth and final attempt to hold back the large foreign owned planes on lease to Air Niugini is under continues negotiations for two weeks from now in Singapore with all the Senior Managers still in Singapore now.
Also, the Financial Controller of Air Niugini is working from Australia now due to his work permit has expired.
Air Niugini is another time bomb to create disaster in the history of our airline and the Government need to take some drastic actions to put in capable people who can manage this company.
PNC COALITION GOVERNMENT NEED TO STEP IN NOW OR IT WILL TOO LATE….

By the way resignations are still continuing.

A memo has been sent to all pilot's residing at the Gateway that their leases will be terminated on 15th December and that they are to relocate to Poxie Palace.

Their room number is yet to be finalised because they are not fitted out yet. (may have something to do with the unpaid construction bill??)

Of particular importance is that each pilot is to provide:

His own bedding and linen
His own cooking utensils
His own cleaning with his own house Meri
His own washing with his own house Meri

Just waiting to find out what the arrangements are for those domiciled in Oz.

I have also had it confirmed that the episode alluded to in my previous post re the 4th floor shenanigans has been confirmed by the brother of victim. It was the CFO who was the perpetrator.

Finally the Link roadshow held recently held in NZ was a resounding failure. Less than the fingers on one hand attended.

With the recent serious illness of 2 Captains who are now off line Christmas will not be a good time to travel with Poxie.

Oh and the decree that paper must be recycled and printed on both sides to help reduce costs will surely save them a lot of money and save the airline from bankruptcy.

One wonders how much paper, ink, photo copying machines could be bought.....haus meris could be hired and other benefits provided to the pilots if through sensible negotiations and thoughtful terms and conditions PX wasn’t continually having to pay thousands of dollars in training costs to replace pilots that are continually leaving. Talk about an ever tightening death spiral. It’s not quantum physics Sam.

Don't forget Toofar has a hard studied for MBA gained in three days from a highly regarded tertiary institution in another Western Pacific country. He must know best.

Don't forget Toofar has a hard studied for MBA gained in three days from a highly regarded tertiary institution in another Western Pacific country. He must know best.

MBA ?

Master Bull**** Artist ?

As reported previously 4 cadets have resigned whilst completing their command ground school.

What has not been fully reported is why they resigned.

Until now a cadet was deemed to have completed their cadetship after 10 years or first command.

Rules have somehow changed. These guys were told they would still be considered as cadets until they they received a command on the jet fleet.

So a new unpublished C scale was going to be applied to them on the Dash fleet as command cadets.

They met with Simon Says and rejected his bait that their conditions would be reconsidered. Read a leopard never changes his spots and elected to leave.

In the mean time PNG Air are making it known they will take on anyone from Poxie regardless of the threats of political interference.

Interesting times to say the least, especially with the upcoming hearing and decision.

Economic salvation off the back of the cadets, bet that really helps the bottom line. up there with recycling paper.

Instead of paying the pittance to the cadets (a new national pilots wage) they should look at a redistribute the salaries of the 767 Captains and see economic sense of flying Captains with First Officers instead of mostly Captains. An advantage of the "Big Men" I suppose, not bad considering many of them were cadets in the past.

Cost cutting at it's best.............provide your own A4 paper

http://jmp.sh/IG5WYlZ

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That’s Gold!

Another lifetime ago (In the early 90's to be exact) when I was pushing beat up, high time Bongo vans and ancient (a) model C402's about the PNG skies, flying for Pixie (which was then well run) was viewed by me and others, a treasured and respected job!:ok:

How times have changed!:sad::{

Edited to add; If I have already posted such sentiments; My apologies!