Can we assume successful applicants have been contacted?

Firstly its great to see Jetgo prosper a breath of fresh air to Australian aviation. Secondly why hasn't the moderator jumped onto the thread it has read " have they gone" its damaging clearly. I see their aircraft about not sure how they are travelling unlike most of these pretends on pprune i actually fly for a living. To all the public who read this thread9/10s are not pilots or actually never will be mostly the guys i fly over when im 100ft above mins with 20 across my nose good luck jetgo us pilots wish you all the best

If you fly anything other than an Intel powered Microsoft, I'm nervous...

I'm with Wheredidwhogo (I think). Whatever he said.....now where's my beer.

To management et al.
 

Gentlemen,
Is anyone from management or otherwise able to shed some light on the following please:

1. How solid are the current contracts for JetGo and what are the contract lengths like for the foreseeable future?

2. What is the main reason for the move from BNE to SYD given the cost of housing a base in SYD as opposed to BNE?

3. As of Sept 1 what will the RPT route network look like?

4. Are you able to give us an idea about the remuneration package details for Captains and FOs?


Info for others:
Current price on an EMB135/145 rating at Flight Safety in St Louis is USD $39,600. This endorsement also provides the option to conduct a differences course to cover the Legacy 600/650 as well.


Sincere thanks!

Polaris79,

I'm not from JetGo management, or employed by them, but OK, I'll bite:

1/ You're either kidding with that question or you're very naïve about business. Do do really expect any company to give out confidential business details over an open internet forum just because you want to know how their business is, or will be, performing in the future? You'll see those details when you either join the JetGo management team or are a shareholder. If these types of details aren't provided by the JetGo management, then they'll just be speculation.

As for your other questions,

2/ Probably because that'll be where they actually started, and that's where the answer to your 3rd question will be using as a hub, and where they believe their future plans will be best served. The costs will be factored into their plans, and contrary to what was the overwhelming initial Pprune expert opinion on JetGo, they seem to have gotten their sums right so far.

3/ I'll guess Sydney to regional centers that have a mining base or new/ expanded manufacturing industries that have poor air connections to either their management, finance, suppliers and/ or workforce. Think Qld towns like Emerald, Gladstone, Roma, etc., with their proximity to mines or new/ expanded industrial manufacturing that have to connect through Brisbane, and therefore add lots of travel time/ overnights and costs for people needing to do business in those locations, and who don't want to overnight in either the country center, or Sydney, if they're coming to do business in the big smoke. The people who have speculated about Bankstown/ Morrabin/ Essendon/ Archerfield connections will, IMHO, be proved to be way off the mark, that's never going to happen for many reasons. Security costs won't be a major factor in where they serve.

4/ Look at post 47 on this thread. Nobody has called 'Bullsh*t' on those figures, I think you'll find they're either accurate or certainly within the ballpark.

Just my best guesses on your Q's 2-4.

Nailed It

SeaEagle109 you should apply to work in our commercial department.

So... Subject to regulatory approval and 'negotiations' it seems JETGO wants to fly from Roma to Sydney.

Western Star 15th July paper.

A town of 7000 people - is that viable for RPT?

What about Syd - HBA, GLA or BUD?

Roma/BNE is a big FIFO route, so presume Roma/SYD is the same maybe.


So you combine FIFO & the public into RPT flights.


Massive gas mining projects out Roma way.


Think this is main reason for Wellcamp airport, which can take 747 freighters when it opens in October. Think that runway is going to be 2870m.

Indeed it did. Think you will find though the ERJ is a far more runway-hungry aircraft than the 328Jet.

In fact according to www.aircraftcompare.com, the 328 Jet has Minimum Take Off Distance 993.65 metres (3,260.00 feet) and Minimum Landing Distance -
789.43 metres (2,590.00 feet) while an ERJ135 has Minimum Take Off Distance - 1,759.92 metres (5,774.00 feet) Minimum Landing Distance - 1,360.02 metres (4,462.00 feet).

Don't have ERSA open in front of me but fairly certain Moorabbin LDA 1190m so the ERJ would be sitting on Lloyd's golf course by now.

JetGo are on the ball, and has been pointed out, there is a lot of mining development out and around Roma, with more to come. A lot of miners and mining executives live in Sydney, and prefer Sydney over Brisbane. If you were a miner why drive from your mine to Roma, then catch a flight from Roma to Toowoomba, and then drive back to Brisbane from Toowoomba in gridlock? Instead, drive from your mine site into Roma and catch a nice comfy Embraer from Roma direct to Sydney.
Sounds logical :ok:

Hang on a sec, if the idea is to conduct RPT because there's mining operations at the destination, wouldn't you simply continue to offer a FIFO service.

How does a local pop. of just 7000 now make RPT more viable for the speculated Roma-Sydney?

If you haven't secured FIFO contracts already, why would RPT to the same destination, carrying the same pax be a more robust business model? As soon as mining contracts, so too will the 'RPT' operation. How's that a long term RPT strategy?

If in fact you tried to secure FIFO and failed, well, logic says don't start an RPT operation.

As far as I can summise, new route RPT operations often aim to build/ create markets from what initially appear to be quite marginal customer bases.

Is that Roma-Sydney? Not sure it is.

There is a massive amount of mining in the region planned for the next decade. The RPT side of things is ramping up and will continue to do so as there will be a huge business traveller demand into the region. Mining executives, planners, material suppliers, pre setup exploratory and mapping work, safety suppliers, bean counters and shhhhhhh Hookers..........
Lots of bums on limited seats. 'If you build it they will come'. Well they're building it and JetGo are going to reap a windfall :ok:

Goodluck to those doing interviews this week. I think its got merit bit of a shame it is only Sydney base and upfront endo.

surely you can have a FIFO contract with miners flying on RPT services with the general public filling the aircraft.


Maybe the mining co. wants high frequency say 25 miners per flight, so Jetgo can then sell the extra 11 seats for a profit.


Only catch is you can't avoid the security nonscience, that can be avoided with pure FIFO ops.


What about a route like MEL/WOL that was abandoned by QF link 5 or so years ago. Think QF did 2 flights a day every day using an old Dash 8-100.

Bhp isn't in wol anymore so no FIFO

Well I wish them good luck if that is the case!

One can only imagine and hope that Jetgo has already got an underwriting for the route or have a contract in place to guarantee a % of seats on a FIFO contract.

An Embraer 135 is an expensive aircraft to operate though lets hope they get to carry all the bags!

Any consulting jobs going Jetgo?

I'm of the opinion the 'world' may very well be their oyster.

Having gone to the trouble of importing the micro-jet hardware, how many city pairs are there for the taking. You'd have to smack the turbo-prop opposition provided ground & pax services are of a very high quality.

Why not Syd to -

Broken Hill?
Tamworth?
Bundaberg?
Gladstone?
Rockhampton?
Toowoomba?
Essendon?

Others?

Email just popped in from one of my 'associates' in America.

G'day Mate!

Firstly well done mate on getting the sale/leaseback on those 757's you drove a hard bargain which ultimately beat us! you owe me a beer next time your in the US

Anyway - can't you do deals in your hood instead of poaching ours?

Just in Republic will lease x 3 Embraer EMB140LR to Jetgo in Australia. CN: 145522, 145513 & 145535. Y44 seats and will be delivered in August / September and October

Anyway talk to you later

JetGo Australia to lease three ERJ-140s from Republic - ch-aviation.com

Looks like they are expanding again.

Here's very interesting commentary in light of the Republic presser just out. Granted Australia is a different dynamic, but it won't be beer and skittles either, regardless of the choice of airframe:

Aviation Week Nov 2011
Many regional carriers are having a difficult time with 50-seat aircraft, which have become unsuitable for many markets because of high fuel costs and the limited number of seats over which to spread the higher costs, but Republic appears to be the first to have reached the breaking point.


“It's difficult to see how we can continue to operate these aircraft for our major airline partners unless we significantly reduce the operating costs,” says Bryan Bedford, Republic's CEO.

Bedford has blamed some of the problem on escalating maintenance costs, above-market lease rates and uneconomical fixed-fee reimbursement rates. But there also is something else at work, he says: Fixed-fee flying for major airlines is not producing the historical level of returns because automatic rate increases in those fixed-fee contracts are tied to the Consumer Price Index, which has not risen much in recent years—certainly not enough to keep pace with regional airline costs for labor, health care and maintenance.


That makes 50-seater economics even more difficult to overcome, he says. Concurrently, major airline downsizing of their “marginal hubs” has lessened demand for the aircraft. For Republic, even cutting its 50-seat aircraft fleet by nearly half since the end of 2007 has not been enough. Nor is having 11 of the ERJ 145s subleased offshore, as was the case as of Sept. 30.
The tough question is: What can Republic do about it? Republic says it plans to negotiate lower costs with stakeholders, but there is a problem. Not only does Chautauqua own 22 of its ERJ 145s, but 22 of them are leased from General Electric Capital Aviation Services (Gecas). Gecas also is leasing six ERJ 145s to Aeromexico, seven to SkyWest subsidiary ExpressJet and six to Trans States Airlines in the U.S., and nine to Passaredo Transportes Aereos in Brazil. If Gecas lowers lease rates for Republic in mid-contract, you can bet other carriers also will be knocking at its door. That might limit the leasing company's desire to cut a deal.
Other regionals will be paying attention, especially since 50-seat aircraft still accounted for nearly half the U.S. regional airline fleet as of July, and the fuel prices that have made many routes uneconomical for them are not likely to fall. As reported in Aviation Week in May, over the rest of this decade more than 70% of those 50-seaters will reach the end of their capacity purchase contracts.


Earlier this year, SkyWest Airlines COO Chip Childs told me the widely predicted demise of the 50-seater has been overstated because operators will be able to negotiate new, lower-cost rates when their current leases expire. Republic's attempt to do so even earlier could provide an early indication of what is really possible.

I think that quote alone ( even though this article was in 2011) says Jetgo know their market. back in Sky Air World Days they paid well over $400 000 a month for a EMB170 which can be leased now for $160 000 month. ERJ's being parked and retired by ACMI operators such as Republic, whom no longer can make a living out of such low rates to the majors are a bonus to operators like Jetgo that can pick these airframes up for way under market rates... All Jetgos fleet are still only 10 years old and one of their fleet only has 5000 TT hours VS some of the 20 yr old plus 40 000 hr plus hours of their " supposed opposition" turbo props.... know who Id prefer to fly for and with if I were the travelling public

jetgo dot com looks as though its new web is up, still no ports listed however. Damm!

jetgo.com ?


Doesn't look any different.


Maybe was pulled from 2 hours ago.

Try opening it in a fresh browser or clearing your internet cache

JETGO RPT ROUTES
 

Watch the Sydney - Tamworth route. Paul Bredereck, listed as Managing Director Airlines within Jetgo, is a local who owned Tamair and is still well thought of in Tamworth by residents. Tamworth Regional Council has been endevouring to interest another airline like Skytrans to serve the city and give some competition to Qantaslink. Rex is the ideal airline, more so with their new Armidale service and reportedly lower fares which is being noted in Tamworth but the Tamworth R. C. will not accept Rex's conditions on not paying for passenger screening which they don't require. Dubbo could be another contender with Rex waring with the local Council and their recent loss of a court battle with the Council, again over paying for security charges.
Interesting period ahead - maybe Wellcamp - Sydney could be a goer as a number of new routes from Newcastle.

Bit slow on the uptake Tailwheel! see above posts.

Does anyone know the operating costs / fuel burn of the EMB135/145 type aircraft?

Western Star front page:

"Roma to Sydney in one hour" ............ in Alliance's Fokker 70/ Cobham's 717.

Why didn't Jetgo make sure their own airframe made it onto the front page.

C'mon............ marketing!!!!

MD-80 actually, so no not a 717 (engine is a JT8) and not a Fokker (slats) and given there is no quote from the company I would hazard to bet that it was not a company release.

My bet is stock photo and someone at the Roma end who has leaked the info:} So jetgo probably knew nothing about it until it happened.

But only if I was a betting man.:E

That's funny Hempy, my first laugh on PP:O

Anybody know, how much 'strength' went into Roma (&/or Miles-Condamine) when the runway was (/wasn't) 'reworked'....????

How hard is the EMB- ACN/PCN wise.....???

Rgds
S28- BE

ACN/PCN
 

From a little bit of looking. Emb145 15C 130psi , Roma 18C 141psi. So all good.

The 12 Q400 flights per day will do more damage to the runway over time than the occasional E135 will

Anyone who interviewed recently hear anything back?

Here, Traveller 1982?

....or There?

I hope they didn't make you do a speling teste.

...than again, if they don't like old guys, maybe spelin isnt impoartent.

Thanks mate always great to get a hand from someone more edumacated than myself:ok:

Sorry mate :D

Long week :ugh: :{

JetGo Australia (Brisbane Int'l) will lease three ERJ-140LR aircraft from US operator, Republic Airlines (YX, Chicago O'Hare) SkyWorld Aviation has revealed. The aircraft in question - N297SK (cn 145522), N295SK (cn 145513) and N371SK (cn 145535) - are configured with 44 Economy class seats and due to be delivered in August, September and October this year.

The Australian corporate shuttle and ad-hoc charter specialist also operates three ERJ-135s with one ERJ-145 on order.