To all Qantas Staff
 

It can't be easy sitting and waiting for the 'announcement' tomorrow. Knowing that due to a corporate thug's incompetence and psychopathic behaviour, getting paid millions of dollars, may make you redundant. Thoughts are with you. Everything changes tomorrow...........

Ditto to all everyone in Qantas.

What Jack said! :ok: ;)

Remember it has TA's and LC's blessing!:ugh::{

I wouldn't describe Alan Joyce a corporate thug but my thoughts are with all those loyal and faithful servants who, under extreme pressure, keep the good ship Qantas going, day in, day out. Without its dedicated staff, Qantas would be a mere shell of a company. Good luck and good fortune! :ok:

Well said. Good night, good luck and fly safe.

Thank you all!:ok:
I will be only one of many hundred crew flying through the night after tomorrow's announcements.:ouch:
I am sure many are more stressed now than when we were locked out.:ugh:
The others are just over it and couldn't give a **** anymore.:ugh::p

Best of luck everyone. Look out for your colleagues. I am optimistic, when one door shuts, another one opens.

Will be fun on the staff bus listening to all the angry workers....


Wait... Just like any other day...

Yep, a +1 to what Jack said, good luck fellas.

Best wishes to all at qantas Our thoughts are with you today.

Yes good luck all.
Is it true what the papers are saying in this mornings paper that pilots were last night offered counselling.

Yes guys and girls, good luck to all. I never like to see anyone under such stress and threat with regards to their job. I have been through this at another large airline and it is not pleasant. Hang in there!

What Jack said.
Good luck all, people are thinking of you and wishing you all the best. :)

I'm not sure many would accept this arrangement if it was ever offered, as they would see what would be effectively further cuts in pay, as their 'equity' was eroded by the falling share price, due to further poor management by the current team.

Good luck everyone. I've been there, done that & it still sucks many years later.

Good luck to all of you today!

I wrote yesterday on the Qantas Face Book site that you guys, the pilots, engineers, flight attendants, ground staff are the reason I fly Qantas and not Alan Joyce. I further wrote that the only person who should loose his job today is Alan Joyce. Guess what? My entry was deleted within the hour!

What a sad company Qantas has become. A total disregard for his loyal employees and customers!

Today I feel like returning my FF card and QF Club memebership, but this want help you and therefore I will not do it.

Thank you all. Even though this forum can sometimes be a pretty unedifying spectacle, you realise at times like this that there are a lot of very nice people out there. The contrast with what's coming out of Coward St is very much appreciated. :ok:

I echo the sentiments of Jack's post. Good luck ladies and gentlemen of QF.

Lets not forget all the innocence families and children that will be going to their workplaces, schools and uni today coping with the unnecessary stress at home.

This has been brought on by AJ, the QF Board and past corporate psychopaths that should be held accountable for their criminal performances in the past. Today should be their judgement day, not the workers that make QF and its rich history.

Keep your heads high :ok:

Qantas confirms 5000 jobs to go

The article does not indicate whether the CEO is included in the redundancies.

Interesting comparison: Air New Zealand profit leaves Qantas in the shade

Yes, good luck to all involved. :ok:

Just watching AJ live now, a reporter actually asked him was HIS job safe, apparently it is. :(

This sums it all up really. Dont fixate on competitors. Develop markets. Improve operations and investing in your people. Work on simplification and remove complexity.

Some of the complexity is government imposed and we as a nation need to push back on some of the BS, but the fat of middle management needs attention.

Hmmm B787 and B777......Qantas? :ugh:

Clearly this CEO and the last have had a completely different approach to the two at QF. The results speak for themselves. The above notes from the article also sound like the words of Herb Kelleher.

With the company rapidly approaching its centenary you cannot but help wonder what will be there then to celebrate.

Many many 'innocent bystanders' not directly affected, looking on from the wings, so to speak, have in their thoughts today all who have been mercilessly shafted and those who grimly wait for the other shoe to drop.

Concur with Jack and others.

An interesting thought Tailwheel.

What a pity.:*

not really a fair comparison comparing QF loss to NZ profit.

NZ had to be saved by NZL govt, as it's the only airline.

We do have VA here & we all managed to survive AN collapse.

Mate, not everyone survived the Ansett collapse.
Indeed, many lives were lost!

Hot off the press
 

Fleet and Network

After a detailed review of network and schedules, the Qantas Group will re-assign aircraft to better match demand, defer aircraft orders, dispose of aircraft, increase fleet utilisation and exit under-performing routes.

Qantas Domestic will increase utilisation of narrow-body aircraft, allowing Airbus A330 aircraft in the domestic market to concentrate solely on East-West services and peak services on the Sydney-Melbourne-Brisbane triangle.

A330-200s will be freed up to enter the Qantas International fleet as replacement aircraft, helping to accelerate the retirement of older Boeing 747 aircraft.

All six of Qantas International’s non-reconfigured B747s will be retired ahead of schedule, by the second half of FY16. Nine reconfigured B747s with A380-standard interiors will remain.

Qantas’ final two B737-400s have been retired this month and all B767s will be retired by the third quarter of FY15, resulting in cost and passenger benefits from fleet simplification.

Qantas International’s eight remaining A380 orders will be deferred, with an ongoing review of delivery dates to meet potential future requirements. Schedule changes will allow maximum use of Qantas’ current 12 A380s.

The final three of 14 Jetstar B787-8s on firm order will be deferred.

Jetstar’s A320 order book has been restructured.


In total, more than 50 aircraft will be deferred or sold.
By FY16, the Group’s passenger fleet will have been simplified from 11 aircraft types to seven aircraft types, with an average age of eight years.

Over the next 12 months, Qantas will exit under performing routes and make aircraft changes on certain routes to better match capacity to demand.

Ross Greenwood asked him this question directly. Joyce was very evasive and gave a long winded answer about how good management are. I got the opinion his job is very much on the line.

Would it really be possible for all the senior execs to escape the cull. Surely there has to be a fall guy or two.

ABC business report that the share price fell a further 5 cents during the press conference when it became clear that there was to be no change at the top.


Mickjoebill

in light of some 744's being replaced by 330's
 

wouldn't it make sense for QF to do some of their LAX flights via somewhere like NAN & do a splash & dash especially in low season?

eg. MEL/LAX is a long sector. There's no FJ daytime flight MEL/NAN, so if a QF 330 were to fly MEL/NAN in daylight, FJ could free up some 737's.

Only catch with this is UA are flying 787's nonstop MEL/LAX from 28 OCT, but lots of Australians won't fly UA as considered airline of last resort.

It would also give an option for a Fiji stopover.

By stopping briefly in NAN, QF could carry full load without any weight restrictions.

OR one of 2 daily SYD/LAX's go via NAN ?

OR introduce CBR/NAN/LAX ? (wouldn't have to be daily. If someone wanted to fly CBR/LAX or v.v. on other days, they simple transit BNE, SYD or MEL, as they have to currently)

No one from CBR wants to transit bloody terrible SYD.

FJ from memory is back in profit.

QF owns something like 47% of FJ.

>>>
A330-200s will be freed up to enter the Qantas International fleet as replacement aircraft, helping to accelerate the retirement of older Boeing 747 aircraft.
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Customers will not take an intermediate stopover if another airline is flying non-stop. Some will, but most won't, making a viable route non-viable. You're correct about no one wanting to transfer via Sydney. The 787 is a hub-buster, taking out the need for intermediate stopovers. It also allows increased frequency of flights. One A380 per day with a lot of passengers on a route by one company can be more than matched with 2 or 3 flights per day in a 787. Other options being equal, customers will vote with their bums to less crowded terminals and multiple travel time options.

Does anybody think that Australias militant Industrial relations law and Union greed have had anything to do with this? I certainly do.
There are a lot of staff at Qantas that get paid a lot of money to do next to nothing (and by that I mean literally next to nothing). We've seen this all before.
I'm not saying that there aren't a lot of other significant factors at play.. No doubt that management in recent years has been woeful but you've got your head in the sand if you truly believe there is no dead wood at Qantas (from the top to the bottom!)

isn't NAN right under SYD/LAX route ?
 

how long does a splash & dash take ?

Add 60-80 min to total duration from SYD to LAX ?

If it means being about to carry more freight & less fuel & being able to offer some cheaper fares, surely would be worth looking at.

NZ does it via AKL. Plenty of Australians fly NZ to U.S. mainland.

FJ does it via NAN now, but is not a quick stop.

SYD/NAN/LAX total transit on FJ now is approx 17 hours 40 mins with 3 hours on ground in NAN. Take out 2 hours & you're down to 15 hours 40 mins, whereas a QF SYD/LAX nonstop is 2 hours less.

Thinking further ahead, it would also mean that QF could reintroduce SFO & YVR (& other ports such as DEN) much like NZ does out of AKL.

Many Australians go to YVR via AKL & via NAN would be shorter.

It would be 1 way of offering cheap fares & getting ff points, or instead make one of the 2 daily SYD/LAX flights a JQ 787, so all those who are price sensitive fly JQ, but offer them some ff points, maybe 50%.

XPT, what are you talking about? SYD/MEL-LAX is all A380s and the majority of the punters would tell you to stick an unnecessary transit where the sun don't shine. It may add a small amount of time but it's a PITA for the punter.

Agree. Direct far more preferable.

Price is not everything to quite a few people.



Joyce is getting a bit of a lashing in The Age.

plenty of punters fly FJ direct on their now daily SYD/LAX on their new 332's !!!

FJ is back in profit.

Sure their wages are lower, but they probably pay more for fuel.


+ plenty of punters fly via AKL on NZ, via HNL on HA & on TN via PPT or even via China or Taiwan.

+ lot more fly JQ SYD/HNL & then get on any number of carriers to mainland including LCC like Allegiant, which them gives them the option of a stopover.

Where do you think all the former QF pax to USA have gone ? They haven't all gone to VA.

Some have gone to DL, but only out of SYD.

Even poor old UA MEL/LAX is via SYD until 28OCT.

"Jetstar’s A320 order book has been restructured."::ugh: Lets just gloss over the huge losses over at Jetstar

500N you'rs getting confused between direct & nonstop.

>>>Agree. Direct far more preferable.

Price is not everything to quite a few people.
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& as cost of living has gone up in Australia, price is becoming more important, which is why QF are losing out.

Look at holidays & peak seasons,when load factors are very high & airlines make money to carry them over low seasons.

A few hundred dollars, times a family of 4 to 6 people, makes a huge difference.

It's only business types & public servants, who don't pay their own fares, who don't care about costs, but have seen plenty of businesses since GFC, cut back from business class to economy, bypassing premium economy.

+ what we call the wank factor.

Some pax out there, love to tell all, they flew bus cl, but fail to mention it was not on nonstops.

You can fly bus cl SYD/LAX return for $4k or less but not on QF.

I can remember we operated one stop to a destination . Many preferred to drive 2-3 hours to go direct in 75 mins than drive 30 mins for a 2 hour flight . Go figure ?

xpt

Maybe I am eating confused but to me direct is Mel to LAX and Non stop is Melb to LAX. Mel - Syd - LAX is one stop and a PITA one at that. I'd fly via Aukland before Sydney and Have done so.

Not sure where you get $4k from apart from the most expensive fares.

Mel - LAX return, QF93 and QF94 is sub $2000 if you book right, A380 aircraft. A bit more if you go up a level. Unless you tell me otherwise, that is Qantas. Those figures are for April / May this year, 2 months out.