You guy's are all dreaming if you think Joyce should go. It's just a way for you to avoid looking in the mirror. QF need to cut all costs and leave the taxpayer alone. Unless you are the sort of idiot who voted labor and got us all a carbon tax, RET, restrictive EBA's...

"The unions have been - they’ve stonewalled Qantas at every turn when they’ve tried to get productivity. Some have been very co-operative. Other ones have been extremely belligerent and it’s time that some of these unions smelt the aviation coffee, if you like, of global aviation, and that is: you’ve got to be competitive.... Their average wage cost was $92,000. In the international space, Emirates’ wage cost average is $47,000, Singapore Airlines: $42,000. So Qantas is way out of step with their international competitors, and in the domestic space, their wage cost is about 16, 17 per cent higher than Virgin Australia."

Got a source of that quote?

punters already abandoning QF
 

this time of year is a very busy time for agents booking flights at Xmas.

With the Winter Olympics just over, skiing advertising was up & many people thinking about skiing earlier than usual.

But, people aren't booking Qantas.

Why cos they fear, QF will close down soon.

Even if you pay by credit card & get your funds back when an airline closes down, it doesn't help you find cheap seats, in peak season.

So to avoid the stress people fly VA or any airline but QF.

Got to get QF off the front page of news.

Unions stop talking nonscience about strikes & start talking about multi-tasking of jobs & ways to save Qantas money. Any strikes will bring the end so much closer.

How could anyone in their right mind defend Joyce, the board and senior management. Look at the track record since his tenure. Facts can't be denied. The truth will set you free. Efficiencies and work-change have occurred in every single department in qantas. Wages/staff/unions are not the issue. Failed strategies, fleets,jetstar are some of the core issue. Tired of repeating myself but will continue as long as the trolls try to defend abject failure by aj etc

A management troll that's who...

Posted the same thing on two different threads. Come on mods - step in and ban them!

Quote (bodybag): Offensive to you ditzyboy..
unfortunately not to the majority of your co-workers.
Qantas has a very real problem with its workforce.. A whole lot of rott and they feed off each other!
I'm sick of hearing Qantas staff at large blaming it on management for not engaging them properly.. seriously??
A lot of egotistical, lazy and greedy people.
Unless they lose some of their trouble makers and make the remainders realise that they DON'T have a job for life they are on borrowed time.
I'm so sick of hearing excuses.. They start with AJ and they continue through the entire workforce.

Well said bodybag. :ok:

Ditzyboy

I'd ignore the unnecessarily rude comments from a few of the posters on this thread. They probably don't fly QF anyway - just want to stick the knife in.

As a mere passenger I appreciate very much the job done by the cabin crew. I always make a point of a friendly "hello" when I board and to those stationed at their respective positions as a trudge my way down the back. I also thank the crew on disembarking. I have also, on occasion, written letters of appreciation for that little extra that I may have experienced. I have no idea, however, if the crew ever get to hear of those commendations as it usually results in a "form" email response but I do it anyway.

Thanks!

$110K Qantas average salary
 

quoted in paper 2 days ago.

How can any airline survive when people get paid so much for doing so little.

a post from RampDog in Feb 2010 -

In all jobs and professions, only the select few ever get recognised for their contribution. It is usually the endeavours and labours of people with passion and dedication that although unacknowledged, bring success and harmony (and of course healthy profits).

In the race to the bottom line, I hope that these people don't fall by the wayside. I'm at QF and every day I see many people in "menial" but essential jobs, who feel they are being forced out. Management should start at this point and build morale and the business back into shape, aim sky high, because that's what aviation is all about!

He is Gooooooornnnn :ok: matter of time ;)

Yep! I agree. Joyce is done. If for no other reason than the board needs to divert attention from themselves. Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out. Then again...lots of padding in the form of a bonus will make sure it doesn't hurt.

Joyce is the patsy, he was always meant to be. Standard practice when you want to restructure something like QANTAS.

Bring him in, get to a particular point where every one will do anything to save it, give him the boot, appoint a new one and mold the company how they want it to be.

Joyce will keep a low profile for a while and then get appointed as CEO to another cushy spot proving he's a executive team player and prepared to take it one for the team.

You are all just falling into their hands.

bmam7
 

Thanks for your post, crew do receive letters of commendation some times many months later but that is just paperwork winding its way through the bureaucracy. We always appreciate your thanks as we actually get very little encouragement from our managers. Hopefully you're on one of my flights and I get to do a little extra for you.
Cheers from all the cabin crew

Source of that quote?
 

Keg, According to Aunty, it was GT. Here's the link.

Agree with the sentiments of most in this thread. However using terms such as "jetcancer" add no credibility to the thread or the poster. Real Australians work for the various Jetstar entities and their jobs matter too. Or are only mainline pilots relevant?

that's the wages , lets not talk about the staff travel for the auntys next door neighbours cousin whose best mate who left Qantas ................

Qantas makes money out of Staff Travel.
Next!:hmm:

Tell 'em they're dream'n
 

I consider myself one of the "lucky ones" who bailed 7 years ago. Qantas was/is and always (hopefully) will be one of the worlds great airlines.

BUT- courtesy of poor decisions (not buying the 777's :ugh:), govt backed competitors, air fares not keeping up with costs etc etc.....the business model is Fckdeu !

I still recall sessions in the late 90's when a certain GM would bang on about the PAN AM diagram -when operating costs and revenue were 2 lines heading towards a delta. Well -sadly it was true :{

So what next:
1. Sack AJ .
2. Bring in someone who can -engage staff, speak english and understands that aviation is a people business with skilled Pilots, Cabin Crew,Airport Staff, Ramp Staff,Engineers & Office staff etc
3. Sack LC and some of the Board
4. Get on your knees and pray that this nightmare will come to an end- we bottom out and climb out with full thrust into infinity and beyond.:E