Pay Freeze!
 

CEO earnings last 5 years $3.66M, $2.9M, $5.0M, $2.28M, 3.3 M!!!

Must be tough to survive in Sydney on $3.3M AUD or just under $63,500 per farkin week!!! :mad: This is totally disgraceful!

We've all heard the rubbish over the past few years, Qantas workers are overpaid compared to 3rd world countries and how little the CEO is paid in comparison to the wealthiest countries!

Workers don't need the over management that airlines instill on their workforces. Engage the staff and get them on side. Look what Fife done with Air New Zealand.

All the best the Qantas staff. :ok:

500N

corrections to your comments below.

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Maybe I am eating confused but to me direct is Mel to LAX and Non stop is Melb to LAX. Mel - Syd - LAX is one stop and a PITA one at that. I'd fly via Aukland before Sydney and Have done so.

Not sure where you get $4k from apart from the most expensive fares.

Mel - LAX return, QF93 and QF94 is sub $2000 if you book right, A380 aircraft. A bit more if you go up a level. Unless you tell me otherwise, that is Qantas. Those figures are for April / May this year, 2 months out.
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QF used to fly BNE/AKL/LAX which was direct BNE/LAX.

FJ fly SYD/NAN/LAX which is direct SYD/LAX.

$4K OR LESS SYD/LAX/SYD business class not economy.

I know that is the phrase used when describing such things but I prefer the word pay instead of 'earnings.'

They might be paid several million per year, but they don't earn it!:ugh:

Joyce is paid too much, but paying him nothing does not solve things.

Everyone at QF is paid far too much + job demarkation.

Seriously, QF flight attendants won't even clean up cabin or toilets.

"No that's cleaners job."

Go back to your train set xpt. You know not what you talk.
Wages are not the issue at qantas. Nor unions or out-dated work practices or global conditions, geographic location, Aussie dollar or fuel costs etc etc.
Ask a current staff member what the truth is and you will discover the agenda from the top is wrong and has been for over 5 years. Joyce, Clifford and board must go. They are complete failures with no vision, intelligence or or any coherent plan

boy oh boy r u in denial or what ?

QF has to re-introduce flights to mainland Europe, especially the QF 5 service to Frankfurt via Singapore or Bangkok but not on EK planes! , start up services to KL and HCMC.

FRA ?
 

FRA was a financial disaster wasn't it ?

+ EK has most ports covered in Europe.

Hi XPT....is that you Olivia??

Say hi to your Uncle Greg, haven's seen him since you helped manage him out of the business two redundancies ago.....

Sheesh

Joyce needs to push much harder. The sad thing is workers feel they should have a say over the capital. QF and all businesses should be able to pay as low as the market dictates and get rid of workers at any moment to maximize the efficiency of capital. Workers will never understand risk if they are not forced to face it like the holders of capital. A sleek and powering airline offers those that survive any cull a better life going forward. There is no security in failure.

Folks,
I watched the whole Joyce performance, and what surprised me was the almost total lack of real detail. A good proportion of what Joyce had to say was little more than generalities, already flagged.

Other than shrink, there was no credible plan to really address the problem Qantas has in the market, or address the issue of having the wrong aircraft, versus the growing fleets of B777/787.

The fuel efficiencies of modern aircraft cannot be ignored --- except by Qantas.

The availability of a few hundred pilots will be a bonanza for the Gulf carriers, and rapidly expanding Chinese airlines.

Tootle pip!!

Well said. Joyce is like a rabbit in the headlights. Stunned. He's on a bike pedalling and knows that if he stops he will fall off. He has to be seen to doing something in the future. The trouble is this is not a creditable plan. The fact is he has no idea what to do. Where is Clifford? Doesn't want the **** to rub off I guess. When will the major shareholders wake up to the fact this bloke is a prize goose.

I spent a few months in Sydney about 12 years ago doing some contract work for Qantas. Happy times, although it took me a little while to get used to the Aussie way of doing things, very direct and to the point. I also found that if you made even a small effort to be sociable, it was more than repaid, but if you did nothing, you got nothing. I met a few new immigrants from ZA who said the Aussies are unfriendly. I found nothing could be further from the truth.

Sad times now for Qantas and I hope you all have better times ahead, and to those of you with whom I'm still in touch, you'll get an email from me.

Can AJ really be as much of a moron as he appears whenever he opens his mouth? Maybe they should replace him with MoL to turn the airline around.

Well, for a start, I know i can earn more working overseas as a LAME especially in the Middle East and Asia, I know that's the same case for pilots as well. Especially with the Australian dollar at its current price, there are quite a lot of gigs paying the equivalent of $30k to $40k AUD more than what I earn at Qantas and in some cases it's without doing 12 hour night shifts! I should add that is factoring in housing and medical allowances.

If you compare apples with apples, in some cases virgin and jetstar staff are paid more than Qantas staff in some positions, and in other cases virgin and jetstar are within 5% of Qantas staff (which is barely anything).

Unfortunately when the media publish these "supposed" $500k pilot incomes and $200k LAME incomes, they forget to mention that 99% of pilots and LAME's would be earning a **** load less than that.

Dont mean to start a massive pay dispute but are second officers on close to $200k at QF? Where in airlines like ANZ they start on a respectable $90k?

Maybe, but what did the QF S/O's start on? Apples with apples please.

This is not a good time to start picking at people working at QF.

CB ... troll or moron .. pick one. You have NFI what you are talking about. If you want to follow a religion, I suggest you go to church ... from the sound of your rant, Westbo Baptist would be a good choice.

Speedi ... once again .. you have NFI what you are talking about. (yes it was only a question, but not a good time to ask it). I am sick of people picking on S/Os ... NO S/O earns a higher rate than ANY F/O at QF. All the vindictive attacks on S/Os simply do not reflect what they do. In any other airline they would be F/Os ... (and QF F/Os would in many cases be Captains).

And no, I do not choose to justify what I or any other QF Pilot earns. If anyone wishes to fall into an alternate reality ... GT offers all you are after.

HOWEVER ... no matter what your slant. The truth is the truth and unless we all recognise what IS the truth ... it will be even worse for all.

Pity a few people (including politicians) don't recognise that.


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noip... Time to get back on the meds mate I havent made a post in 3 years so your "once again" comment made little to no sense and of course I have NFI that's why I ASKED a question, Genius!

Oakape answered my simple question with a head on his/her shoulders, I was under the impression they were starting on such a high salary. So Oakape thanks for answering it like a respectable individual.

On a different note to all those that will be affected by this my thoughts go out to you.

Speedi,

Nothing against you but the "once again" was the reference to the second part of my reply .. and as I qualified later I recognised your question. The S/O thing has come up time and time again and it gets REALLY tiresome.

As I also said .. this is not a good time for people to crap on about Mythical rivers of gold that QF people supposedly have the secret key to ....


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XPT -

I am a Qantas flight attendant and can think of at least two occasions where I have tidied the cabin in Darwin due to cleaners being busy due to multiple arrivals at the same time, thus minimising costs to the company and delays to customers. I have also done it once on a morning flight out of Sydney where the overnight clean was overlooked and fleet presentation sent ONE cleaner to do it.

We are also responsible for the cleanliness and presentation of the toilets in flight.

I think you will find that we generally don't clean cabins on the ground as a team of cleaners is on hand and paid to do it!!

Your comments are ill founded and offensive.