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Fliegenmong 4th Feb 2014 09:31

And this...

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"We are doing our best to reduce all costs across the business, however the serious problems that have beset SPCA have not been because of labour costs and certainly not from the allowances, a fact borne out by the Productivity Commission's recent analysis,''

No see I remember Umm Ahh TA saying any IR decisions would be based on outcomes found by the Productivity Commission. Hmm, that's gospel truth TA for you, thankfully (for him) a largely compliant media play along....but lies and dishonesty....well they're not an exclusive domain of the left are they?

Flying Trades Person 4th Feb 2014 22:04

Alans Not Happy
 
Who the hell cares if this W****R is not happy, what goes around comes around hope the hell this saying is really CORRECT.

Clipped 5th Feb 2014 01:45

Posted elsewhere but ...

Not a fan of Paul Howes, but just listened to him on the ABC's NPC and he delivered a fantastic speech, with quite a bit of eloquence, on the IR debate.

I might have even changed my view on him but that tie up with Livvy is just a bit too cosy.

I haven't got the link, but do try and listen to it on the ABC website.

DirectAnywhere 5th Feb 2014 02:29

Paul's speech makes me think he's realised there's more money and power in a management job and a cushy few board seats somewhere than there is in a tilt at Federal Parliament, even via a safe seat.

73to91 5th Feb 2014 04:15


Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic will ditch daily flights between Sydney and Hong Kong in May, blaming increasing costs and a challenging economic environment.

The decision to end flying to Australia after almost 10 years will be a fillip for Virgin's rivals on the route, Qantas and Hong Kong flag carrier Cathay Pacific.

Read more: Virgin Atlantic axes flights between Sydney and Hong Kong


How will QF react?

Guarantee not as quickly at CX.

Jack Ranga 5th Feb 2014 04:40

Cathay the only airline now flying between Sydney & London.

Kissed on the dick by a fairy??

C441 5th Feb 2014 04:46


Cathay the only airline now flying between Sydney & London.
.......via Hong Kong.

moa999 5th Feb 2014 04:46

I suspect by pushing prices up... and would expect CX to do the same (they aren't exactly making much money either)
Same demand, less supply = higher fares

Probably the best news QFi has had on any route in a long time.
A duopoly route with no LCCs flying direct.

DirectAnywhere 5th Feb 2014 04:49

QFs presence on SYD/MEL to HKG is a joke compared to CXs - as it is with most routes on which it competes. VS pulling out will make 2/5 of 5/8th of sweet FA difference to the competitive dynamics on these routes. It's a few hundred seats a day when CX has several thousand between SYD and MEL and HKG.

TIMA9X 5th Feb 2014 06:27

Hopes fading on government assistance for Qantas
 

lies and dishonesty....well they're not an exclusive domain of the left are they?
Yep, I agree, I am disappointed with TA & his crew so far but playing the "work choices" theme song is exactly the same as playing Labor's "FWA" theme song..



both are the same, just pays lawyers and look what that did for the Qantas staff who lost their gigs after Joyce shut down the airline, he just continued on his merry way cutting & slashing even with a new Liberal government installed... I doubt nothing will change much on that front... as both sides of government in Canberra simply lack talent to understand the ramifications of the course set by Clifford & Joyce for the future of Qantas.

I expressed my concerns about importance of preserving what's left of our industry to Mr Truss via email a few times in December as I was concerned about QFI pilots jobs, sadly after a lot of effort I got this standard reply.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W...uss-letter.jpg

I still believe strongly in Qantas International and I think most Australians do, they simply haven't the time to think about it.

QI have been great ambassadors for Australia and aviation in general, now sadly being downsized to suit the wallets of a few at the top of the management tree. This same tree of managers (and their predecessors) simply forgot to order the right equipment, because they became consumed with their ego's conquering Asia, now in 2014 we have new Jet* equipment parked all over the place whilst QFI awaits its next course of management cutback announcements later this month. Brilliant stuff... but still the management try to complicate this simple mistake with blogs like this gem which is still rumbling along Former Qantas Chief Economist replies to CFO article | Plane Talking the comments says it all..



https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e...ring-Large.jpg


I guess a new round of proceedings in Canberra will start soon (again) so in the photo above just paste the head of your favourite Q manager or politician on either side of the political fence, none of them will own up, they will all just continue to cover their spots.


Qantas will renew its lobbying in Canberra next week when chief executive Alan Joyce meets senior politicians.
But analysts and sources within the Coalition believe it has become less likely that Qantas will be granted its wish of a financial guarantee in the form of a standby debt facility.


Acute Instinct 5th Feb 2014 08:11

Typical really........
 
PM says,
‘‘Penalty rates are very important to people - very, very important to people. If you are a low-paid worker one of the things that you often love to do is work late-nights, weekends, because it does substantially increase your income.’’

Have you ever heard such rubbish??????

Late nights, shift work, and working weekends has been proven to have toxic and detrimental effects upon workers family units, social lives, relationships, and health. Penalty rates are a compensation for that.

And soon enough, with the removal of such compensation, that's all the workers of this country will be doing it for, just to feel the love......

Read more: Paul Howes: Excessive wages growth is 'pricing some sectors out of the market'

nitpicker330 5th Feb 2014 08:34

CX not making money on SYD HKG route??????? Who says?????:rolleyes:

PPRuNeUser0198 5th Feb 2014 09:34

It's a little different when CX is operating in/out of their hub, versus VX operates via someone else's hub.

VX is only carrying traffic to either HKG or LHR. CX is carrying traffic to either HKG or the planet…

Jack Ranga 5th Feb 2014 09:59

It would appear that Mr Howes is perhaps a little........? How should I put it? c@#+struck.

Deaf 5th Feb 2014 12:21


It's a little different when CX is operating in/out of their hub, versus VX operates via someone else's hub
Q dosn't have a hub or an idea

The Q idea is pay for a big billboard in HK (somewhere on the above ground part of Lou Wu - Central MTR) which says "fly Q on the A380 three times a WEEK to Sydney".

That was in 2012, CX were doing 3 flights per DAY to SYD. Like that notorious PX ad 25? years ago which had a photoshop of number of kangas "Why stuff around with Q, try the PX alternative"

Edited to add

As SLF Garuda is more pleasant

SOPS 5th Feb 2014 13:09

Just let me get that straight. In 2012, Qantas had 3 flights a day out of Hong Kong?

73to91 6th Feb 2014 00:01

Yes SOPS and for one who flew on a regular basis for business they provided 'choice' (where have I heard that?)

The QF 30 would get in from LHR so those pax had 'choice' stay on if heading to MEL or connect to the 747 service down to SYD which was the same departure time as the current flight to SYD.

The other 'choice' was the early morning departure to SYD on an A330 getting in at 9 pm ish.

Would it be correct to say that the only true departure point that offers 'choice' now is LAX?

Good work AJ.

duderanch 6th Feb 2014 05:06

No more shift penalties. Yippee no more working christmas or public holidays. Meanwhile the genius' will be trying to figure out why everyone is off sick.
Paul Howes' speech is symbolic of the ideoligy of these people. Talk it up about how overpaid the workers are, then leave the room hand in hand with his girlfriend on a million + salary. America here we come.

Acute Instinct 6th Feb 2014 07:01

The Monkey Pilot?
 

Comedy clubs and the big office.

He reminds me of somebody, at the 2m20sec mark.

How's she do that?

He's not the only one throwing up in the end.....

Keg 6th Feb 2014 07:21


America here we come.
You'd prefer we be more like Greece? Or Spain? Or Italy?

There is a middle road you know.


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