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busdriver007 2nd Feb 2014 03:02

Hey WorthWhat,
There is an State Election in Tasmania in March, mind you that did not help Holden as South Australia has an Election in March as well. :confused: Go Figure, the results will be interesting as to how Aussies feel about the Coalition. :)
National Interest ahead of Politics, you are joking aren't you?

TIMA9X 2nd Feb 2014 03:32


Low demand forces A380 flight cancellations
Qantas is cancelling three Airbus A380 superjmbo return services on its Melbourne-Dubai-London routes over the next two months because of slow demand. The affected flights are QF9 and QF10 on February 17, March 11 and March 24. "These cancellations represent 1.5% of our total services to London in February and just over 3% in March," a spokesman said. Qantas axed Singapore as its transit hub to Europe last year and began flying to London from Melbourne and Sydney via Dubai as part of its alliance with Emirates.
Carry On: Extra comfort to Hawaii, Qantas cancels A380s, superjumbos to India and more - Airline Industry Today
bit by bit more is revealed as already predicted on this thread way back....

All sounded so good back when "Alan was happy" announcing the EK/QF tie up ....:hmm:


Nunc 2nd Feb 2014 04:40

If the qF 9/10 service is eventually stopped is a tacit admission that the link up with Emirates has failed. Cancelling more routes is hardly "turning around" longhaul internationa especially while it continues to have to absorb costs such as the Aoc split and subsidising Jet* (still).

mightyauster 2nd Feb 2014 05:27

I wouldn't be reading too much into the cancellations - VAI is doing it tough this time of year as well. From tomorrow, there will be two B777s out of service for a week and at least one out for the next few weeks for scheduled repaints, etc.

AEROMEDIC 2nd Feb 2014 05:49


All sounded so good back when "Alan was happy" announcing the EK/QF tie up ....
......and it was in the last thirty minutes before the announcement was made and still negotiating, that concessions not previously agreed to, (whatever they were) finally were, and got the agreement across the line.
The comment from Tim Clark in reference to that last thirty minute period suggested strongly that up to then, agreement had not been reached.
Could it be that that concessions that we see disadvantaging Qantas today were the ones agreed to at the last moment by Joyce?

This is a 5 year agreement, perhaps inescapable !!

Much more bad news for Qantas to come, I expect.

hotnhigh 2nd Feb 2014 08:56

So any truth to the rumour that Alan's last trip to Dubai was an attempt to collect some cash for his strategy?
Emirates accounts payable section didn't have any record.
😁

IsDon 2nd Feb 2014 11:11


Originally Posted by hotnhigh (Post 8296538)
So any truth to the rumour that Alan's last trip to Dubai was an attempt to collect some cash for his strategy?
Emirates accounts payable section didn't have any record.

Rumour I'm hearing was he went up there to organise his new job. Can only hope that rumour is true. :D

Australopithecus 2nd Feb 2014 11:41

I heard that his visit was to bed down the JNB codeshare. I can imagine EK sitting down to the table, well aware of QF's fleet status, saying something like "no revenue sharing, and what the f*ck are you going to do about it?"

V-Jet 2nd Feb 2014 11:48

Payoff for another job well done? Wreck Qf for the puppet masters, look as big as you can (stop laughing ppl!) to the sandpit to organise a nice golden parachute job for youself in addition to the golden parachute your current employer gave you. Nice...

Sickening.

Angle of Attack 2nd Feb 2014 12:02

SYD - JNB gone
DXB -LHR gone ( 1 flight at least)
BNE and MEL Terminals sold then leased back
FF Float.
2800 extra staff gone, including 250 pilots. Thats what I have just heard.

SOPS 2nd Feb 2014 12:10

I sincerely hope that is not true.

bangbounceboeing 2nd Feb 2014 12:27

I think I can hear the fat lady warming her vocal cords as we speak.......:rolleyes:

Australopithecus 2nd Feb 2014 15:10

That sounds about right, sad to say. Unless they bite the bullet and do the checks on the six jumbos due soon they will have to drop JNB and change Japan to the 330.

The fleet has been shrinking faster than the approximately 3%/year pilot group reductions, and there have been recent changes to eliminate S/Os on the nearby Asian destinations.

250 pilots sounds about right, maybe slightly more, although I hope that zero is the outcome.

As far as the non-frontline staff go: we have seen burgeoning management numbers for a dwindling fleet in a mature market. Surely they could find a couple of thousand recent hires whom to teach the bitter lesson of QF Kool-Aide?

From a long-time observer of airlines, I cannot see how reducing the business to a few under serviced Asian routes and LAX/JFK will provide the needed international counterpoint to keep domestic viable. On the other hand, I met someone today who has flown Jetstar twice, so apparently it is possible to overestimate the market.

dragon man 2nd Feb 2014 19:20

Japan I think will stay with the 747 due to J class loads however Dallas I think will go to American Airlines. The manager there told me it was bleeding $1 million a week. The hot rumour at the moment is that 787 order will finally be canned, and that in my opinion would be the final nail in the coffin of Qantas.

spelling_nazi 2nd Feb 2014 20:18

There is the burning issue of transmission of business and jetstar re the retrenchment of mainline pilots.

neville_nobody 2nd Feb 2014 20:47


Dallas I think will go to American Airlines
Direct in their 777?

Nunc 2nd Feb 2014 21:03

No doubt DFW is loosing money. This was little Al's big new route, so along with the Emirates tie up everything he has touched to save " mainline" has been a failure. Super management........not

1A_Please 2nd Feb 2014 21:18


Direct in their 777?
AA don't have any 777s that can do the route with no restrictions. Only the 77L can do this and the only US airline with 77Ls is DL.

goodonyamate 2nd Feb 2014 22:37


2800 extra staff gone, including 250 pilots.
Well that will be a sh*tfight.....

Doesnt the law require them to offer VR first?

Given the financial state, anyone holding onto 'strict seniority' is IMO dreaming....

Going Boeing 2nd Feb 2014 22:45


Japan I think will stay with the 747 due to J class loads however Dallas I think will go to American Airlines. The manager there told me it was bleeding $1 million a week. The hot rumour at the moment is that 787 order will finally be canned, and that in my opinion would be the final nail in the coffin of Qantas.
Simon Hickey indicated at the meeting in Dec that DFW on average is breaking even - loses money some weeks & makes money other weeks (international flying is very seasonal). Business & Premium Economy classes are almost always full and it's a very popular flight with business men/women as it results in a shorter overall travel time.

The B787 order was canned quite some time ago with the 65 orders/options reduced to just 14 aircraft for JQ - 50 purchase rights don't qualify as a "B787 Order".


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