Both arrived at times close enough to require separation. Discussion between aircraft resulted is Qf landing first , virgin holding. Both low fuel, virgin was being gentlemanly. So I'm told.

Virgins always hold back, especially for rats. :}

Airlines are much more conscious of fog when operating into YPPH, back in the old days, crews had set criteria when operating into Perth. If these were not met, an en route diversion was required.

A while back I two hours out of PER from the north, suddenly 300M FG appeared on the forecast. DJ and QF inbound from the east, diverted to Kalgoorlie without even trying to get in. I continued as I had YPKG and YGEL as alternates and landed with 10km+ but the conditions were perfect for fog to form.

Perth has had a lot of attention from airline flight planning departments due to its isolation, lack of alternates (especially wide body) and peculiar weather.

Perhaps it's time to take a closer look at other airports.

Do Virgin aircraft have ACARS and/or company flight following ?

Flying Syd-Adl qf is in an acars blackout area until just prior to TOD from about 15 min from TOC

Sounds about right, all the tails sticking out blocking B... ;) :}

Amen to that! Move up ! Don't be scared!

On this day, I was on a REX flight into Adelaide (as a passenger). As we came down the ILS onto 23, Edinburgh was clear, Parafield was clear, the city centre was clear, got within less than 5nm (not 100% on the distance - but we were certainly abeam or passed the city centre, so closer to runway) from the threshold and went into fog. From the pax window I couldn't see horizontally or directly down.

Pilot did a standard missed approach, and off we wandered to Whyalla for fuel, where there was quite a little REX gathering of diverted planes.

I too was curious why Edinburgh couldn't be used as an alternate? Don't the RAAF boys like to share? (The ILS at Edinburgh runs N to S, same as Adelaide).

Depends where you are......in Melbs it's usually the rats sitting at P or Q redy to go but stuck there waiting for the virgins that called ready whilst still on the crew bus!!!! :}:}

Goodonyamate,
Funny but not quite. Permitted to call ready turning onto Echo if cleared all the way. Don't JQ and QF just call ready on tower instead of asking for a taxi clearance? ;)

Nice one,

After a week of professional respect,

It's back to hand bags at 40 paces

.........ah come on 'M' where yr's SOH:-) The thread is starting to peeder out anyway so boys will be boys here as we all know QF donate more booze to the ATC xmas party & the Roo is on our coat of arms, although they are a 'pest' & we do shoot the bastards!:E:)


Wmk2

Yeh, come on Marauder, lighten up. BTW, you need to change the spelling of "tommorrow" in your handle! :}

Piston Broke Again
Maybe a quick read of Jepps Air Trafffic Control pg au702 1.4.1.1 may be in order (no mention of taxiway echo)

Not going to find it in ATC. It was in the ERSA about 5-6 years ago but I haven't opened one of those up since! Had a cursory look online but alas it may have been removed...any ATC boys/girls care to elaborate? (May as well find out the answer now!)

Are you the QF clown who goes to ML Tower and calls "ready in 90 seconds" to try and get in front of those that actually are ready?

goodonyamate :D:D

The bit about not contacting tower until on E definitely used to be written somewhere previously.

Nah, just when we actually are ready, approaching the holding point. Not while still around the corner on the southern side of the intl terminal, like your good self.

So if it used to be written somewhere, but now isn't, shouldn't you refamiliarise yourself with the appropriate procedures?

Can't say I've ever heard the 'ready in 90 seconds'. Not saying some fool doesn't do it though....wouldn't mind hearing it just for the comedic value

'Ready 30 seconds' has been used quite a bit recently. It's all to do with how long you require in the line up position to do an engine run up with engine anti ice on. It's also in the AIP! :ugh:

THREAD DRIFT ALERT!
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Back on topic please, people.