The company told the AME unions they must push the deal through complete, otherwise whats the point of lubricating the Ames. :yuk:

What happened to the AME's EBA
 

Does anyone know what is happing to the AME's EBA?? I think there was a meeting between the unions and the FWA in July but since then nothing. No communication from the company or the unions.

Anyone care to comment?

AME EBA
 

Just heard around the traps, that hearing concluded and that FWA will deliberate for 2 weeks before handing down their decision.No official word from any of the unions.Metals unions must be a bit busy now that K.Dudd now back on the scene.

No communication from the company or the unions.
So whats new

Don't worry Jethro, rumour going around SYD that the company is going to be communicating to all of us very soon and it aint going to be pretty.

I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.

Theme park being readied for takeoff at Avalon Jobs for all running the Dodgem Cars.:ok:

Theme park being readied for takeoff at Avalon | Geelong, VIC, Australia

Most will be lucky to last 12 months after the ex railway manager finishes his "review". Get ready for LOTS of A Licenses. Most restricted B1 and most B2 will be forced out the door.

Jethro....communication from Unions will go to Union members. It's not rocket science......want info then join.

Even if you are a member of the unions, they still fail to communicate what is happening to the AME's EBA. The rumour is it is still with the FWA and a ruling might be made within the next 2 weeks.

As to the rumour about more job loses in SYD engineering that is yet to be confirmed BUT it will get worse before it gets better!!!:ugh:

The FWC has approved the Metals EBA . Good thing!

The FWC decision has been made:

Conclusion
[49] The Agreement is approved and, in accordance with s.54(1)(a) will operate from
7 August 2013. The nominal expiry date of the Agreement is 31 December 2016.
VICE PRESIDENT WATSON
Printed by authority of the Commonwealth Government Printer AE402684 PR539480

So the AMEs have lost career path well done

The Australian Workers' Union and the Australian Manufacturing Workers' Union have welcomed a Fair Work Australia decision to approve a new workplace agreement for Qantas engineers, striking out objections from the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association.

The new workplace agreement delivers an average annual pay rise of 4.2 per cent over the next four years and has the support of more than 85 per cent of the workforce.

Despite that, the ALAEA tried to stop the agreement being approved. In rejecting the ALAEA's appeal, Vice President Watson of Fair Work Australia described the ALAEA's arguments as 'opportunistic'.*

AWU Vice President, Daniel Walton said today's decision was a relief for members.

"While it’s great that this agreement has been finalised, frankly, it would never have taken this long had it not been for the obstructionist behaviour of the ALAEA," Mr Walton said.

"This is a first rate agreement that delivers solid improvements to pay and conditions for our members. It's an agreement we can all be proud of."

AMWU Assistant National Secretary, Glenn Thompson said he was happy to see the agreement resolved.

"We have been negotiating this agreement since October last year and our members are relieved that it has been finalised.

"This agreement had strong support from the outset and delivers certainty and security for Qantas engineers."

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- See more at: Qantas Engineers finally get well deserved pay rise | The Australian Workers' Union

ALAEA are being quiet about this. On behalf of all Ames I would like to thank Mr Walton. I just can't understand how a union official from the AWU who has never worked a day in his life can already know more about Aviation than those ALAEA blokes. This is what Mr Walton had to say

and this is what the judge said

Mr Walton (another aviation expert), can you please explain to me just one thing. How does turning Aircraft Maintenance into a profession that no longer requires a Trade Certificate deliver more security to Qantas Engineers who can now be displaced by people off the street?

The issue isn't whether

Which it is anyway

But it is a Licence

Frankly, I would be VERY concerned for the poor Cat A AME who is under hammer after something for which he has certified has gone bad. There will no support from the employer Qantas, and the "blame train" will have departed from the station.
As for the AME unions, I suspect there will be plenty of vocal support, but no tangible relief from the pressure of CASA and Qantas. They haven't the experience or technical knowledge to defend successfully in court, nor will they have the passion.
It's understandable why an AME would want to become a Cat A when there's the prospect of extra cash, in the same way as an AME becomes a full LAME. When the latter happens, he or she has had an extensive course and accumulated a log of years of experience in all of the required tasks, takes on the RESPONSIBILITY of certification and begins to learn how to join all of these things together in earning his money. Cat A's are so different.
What I would like to see from the AME unions is a flow path/decision aid structure to deal with the inevitable "blame train" progress when things go pear shaped for Cat A holders. They sure as hell will need it.

As you guys would understand. Our LAMEs are so professional, this is what will happen. A Cat A LAME will get himself in the poo and find that the AME unions aren't equipped to represent him. The LAMEs will provide the support and knowledge to help their Cat A brother out. LAMEs will help because it is in our nature to do so.

I know this will happen because there was a case in the 90's where there was a fatal crash. The AME was charged with man slaughter and abandoned by the AME unions. The ALAEA fully funded the defence of the AME even though he was not our member and we kept him out of jail.

We know many AMEs would like to join our union. You cannot yet but our rule change is before the courts in a few weeks.

Cat A
 

Congrats to the AME unions! They've managed to provide their members with a career path... :ok:Unfortunately, as soon as they take a few steps, the path comes to a dead end. Once they get their "bolt-on" payment to "certify" that's as far as they will go, never to get a real licence.:ugh:

At least Paul will stop his members from leaving to join a professional association that will look after their best interests and those of the industry the they work in. Maybe he'll take Olivia out for dinner on the union Visa card to celebrate?:yuk:

Here is a bit of info for pilots

If your happy for a certificate 2 ame to look at AND sign out your a/c, put Nil in the tech log.

If you want a REAL Lame (with years of experience) to sign your RTS then put a snag in the tech log. 'A' licence holders CAN'T sign an RTS after a defect has been put in the log.:ok:

To keep context, these are what the CAT A licence holder could sign out, if fully trained to CASR requirements and competent at the task.

LIST

1. A pre-flight or daily inspection or an inspection that is equivalent to a pre-flight or daily inspection in the aircraft maintenance program.

2. Replacement of bulbs and lights.

3. Replacement of seats, if the replacement does not involve disassembly of any part of the primary structure of the aircraft.

4. Replenishment of a system fluid other than a gas.

5. Maintenance that is required for the application of a minimum equipment list if the maintenance does not involve any of the following:

(a) removal or disassembly of parts;

(b) disassembly of control systems;

(c) the use of special tools or equipment.

6. Maintenance required by an airworthiness directive, if the airworthiness directive permits a pilot licence holder or a flight engineer to carry out the maintenance.

MP