I think the brass have under estimated how quickly the back log of work has built up and the effect Mxi has had on the time it takes to do things now particularly in a line environment.
That and the continuing efforts to make Q a 145 organisation .
Keeping the staff onside and happy one would think was a priority at this critical time.

Tidbinbilla, I agree. Unfortunately, there are those on here that are of the belief that if you have a differing opinion or view, you shouldn't be expressing them, or run the risk of being personally attacked. A QF way unfortunately.

What pay cut?

The terms and conditions of your employment are being adhered to. The LSL conditions have not changed.

I would suggest you/we have a few options to consider.

• Raise LSL at next EA discussions
• Take VR
• Take a redeployment to another port
• Or
• Submit your leave forms this coming May, to use you ASL/LSL/DILPH/20TH as you would prefer, or let the company decide for you

BP

Are you implying the rape and pillaging of this airline stopped with the exits of Jackson and Dixon?

No chance. The current Executive are doing just fine and all perfectly legal. Have a read here.

Makes for a feel good story, Exec and Board, working only for the benefit of the airline and shareholders. Coalface, worrying about their job prospects.

So best advice to AMEs would be harass your reps and AWU head office, you ate still looking at redundancys. Ask the question, why are we not following the ALAEAs lead? You need to get more vocal because as it stands now you are still going to suffer redundancys, and soon.

I think the spy is right. Easy soft targets. :(

Makes it hard when the cashed up AWU rep runs around telling people that he doesn't care, it is the upskillers who will go first.

AWU seem to spend more time and energy against their members interests.

Lay off the AWU guys. Their officals have their time cut out trying to get a seat in canberra. No time to worry about pesky members..... especially those in aviation.

4 weeks forced LSL!!!!!!

Great snapping duck$hit... wont know what to do with myself!!! Bout bloody time we got some leave approved. Now I can get some stuff done on my bucket list.

Hopefully this may be a start to better relationships between the workers and the management.

@duderanch

It's a sad state that you have to take leave to spend time with the family. Can't do it on days off or before/after work? Must be hard finding the time on four/five days off or even a weekend to spend time at home.

Thanks again to you Steve and the ALAEA team in getting a good result out of sh*t sandwich.

Already got my first phone call for O/T today but had to turn it down.....seems I'm enjoying having this time off to much:ok:

Is every LAME going to have to take 4 weeks of some sort of leave ?

How will this work if you have less than 4 weeks of annual leave available, will they make you go into negative annual leave hours ?

If you have no annual leave and they are not going to make you go negative for your annual leave how does that work for your LSL if you have under 7 years of service?

You cannot currently access your LSL as you have under 7 years service, will they still be able to make you take 4 weeks LSL ?

ST

Are there any lames in Sydney with less than 7 yrs service? If you have no annual, lsl it is.

It has taken a concerted effort of SOME to bring about an agreement by Qantas with the ALAEA to provide some respite from the redundancies.
It's disturbing to find that the Qantas managers had to be pressured to understand that they have overdone this culling of the engineers.
What is even more disturbing is that there were many so unconcerned about the plight of their workmates that they felt that they need not participate in any strategy to assist them. That being said, it's gratifying to see that there has been an improvement in the position of those affected.

What now?

Those that decided to look after their own interests may well have thought any strategy was not going work and they might as well milk the OT, but such things are not forgotten by others who didn't.

Hopefully. the leave solution will be enough, but this is far from being over. I'm sure the Fed sec knows this and will be working to secure a better outcome down the track.

Nice to see some happier posts.:ok:

@ SpannerTwister

Your A/L leave is broken up in two parts. Entitled and Accrued. Entitled is leave from your previous years, and Accrued is the current year's leave building up (from your date of joining the company). If you don't have the leave, you're considered a good boy for using your leave as you get it, and you can't be forced to take leave you don't have.

I don't believe they can make you take Accrued LSL, as you're not entitled to it before 10 years, with the exception of a redundancy, but knowing this mob, they would find a way to make it happen. I would assume you're safe till you have the required leave to be forced to take any.

@ AEROMEDIC
First point. Whether it's forgotten or not is a moot point. People can remember you on the other side of the fence when we're all out of a job. Will it make any difference? Not one iota.

Second point. You're correct this is far from over. It appears that both Company and Association agree this is only a reprieve, not a solution. More of the same, if not worse, over the next 12 to 18 months.

especially those that have names like Jim Smith, John Smith, A Smith, B Smith etc who make up the numbers to give the AWU the power within the ACTU and ALP that it enjoys...

No title required.....
 

No alias, no personal attacks, no differing views, nothing. Just your words.

What AI? No black sheep comments? My you've changed. Not that your past comments meant anything. To me anyway.

Yes my words. I stood by them then and stand by them now.

In this kind of scenario, the event slowly fades, but there are those that wil find it difficult working with those who have not only been self interested but also have worked against them. I've seen friendships of years dissolve and some never speak again ,changing relationships forever.

There is a null point to be reached for redundancies though, and where that point is must be reliant on whether further agreements can be made. The one unknown is the ability of Qantas managers to seek solutions on their own rather than the ALAEA do it. That's why it's far from over.