Hollow....
 

The only thing hollow being heard today is the predictables beating the gutless drum. Give it a break will you. There are people breathing a little easier tonight. Stick to what you know. The best part of this all is that you guys will be off holidaying for the next six months. Talk about lucky. Wish it was me. Rest well, go away, enjoy a life, and try to be positive. While your away, some young bloods may get a chance to make love to the boss. They may even shine in your shoes. Don't worry, Im sure he will remember your name in 8 months. Maybe not. Well done to the ALAEA for successfully negotiating continued employment.

KR747

A reprieve from the executioner is a positive outcome.
Congratulations to both the Company and the ALAEA for being reasonable.
Can only help in repairing the toxic relationship.

Might have to look at doing the QF engagement survey now....:}

Buttmonkey, the way it works with rolling up to centrelink and asking Aunty Julia for some cash is this:

Lets say you got a payout of 100k, and $75k is payment for being made redundant and $25k is the amount that your remaining leave(annual and long service) adds up to.

Lets say that the $25k leave component now works out to 18 weeks of leave.

Centrelink wont pay you any benefits until you have been out of employment for 18 weeks.

So even if you got a new job and then left that within the 18 weeks you would still have to wait out the original 18 weeks in total before payments are forthcoming.

The $75k redundancy component is of no interest to centrelink, only the leave component.

But if you are retiring then it is a whole different ball game.

One positive thing about the forced leave, your chances of staff travel are probably better now we can fly emirates. Chances are probably better for an upgrade as well, given that it is now status rather than years of service.

We have been able to travel on EK (in economy) for several years and it was based on order of check in. Status or years of service had nothing to do with it.

Having access to business class on EK (if your job role permits), might increase your chances though. As would the increased onload priority for QF group staff.

No dice there either. No upgrade to J class on EK. They don't give it to their staff, and there is no way QF staff will get an upgrade on EK services. So if you want J class, you'll have to fly QF services.

Onya Acute Instinct!!

Fed Sec please clarify...
Who said doing excessive O/T was kosher? All I heard is that the O/T monitoring program had ceased.
Excess O/T still costs jobs.

Thanks
 

Thank you Steve and the team , you guys have done a great job... Hey and don't listen to all the negative ****e , some folk have such sad lives . One part of me actually feels sorry for them .

Qf 94 I've been waiting for them and I knew you'd have a go for being forced to take leave to save your mates job.
Anyone who even thinks twice about sitting at home whilst you are being paid to save 100 jobs is a very very shallow person indeed. Tonight is the first night since that phone hook up that I feel pretty relaxed and actually looking forward to going to work tomorrow, and there's QF94 sitting at home stressing that he has to spend time with his family on full pay. :ugh:

Give it a rest ampclamp.Dont you know Easter is one of the busiest periods of the year.I think you know which union was told to pull their head in.The management team read pprune and so do their legal reps.Also all you guys out there that made a choice,be it lifestyle,spend quality time with family,blah,blah,blah,hold your heads up high,as you now can smash the O/T........bunch of workplace hypocrites.

Perhaps, the agreement to instigate a forced leave policy was dependant on the ALAEA putting aside their overtime monitoring. Perhaps the increase in family time at the expense of overtime was hurting QE more than we think. They wont see me in on overtime until we have security. As for their engagement survey, I determained some time ago anyone who starts the survey is automatically registered as engaged. Not quite what some people expect, but it makes for easier auditing.

I think ampclamp has made a very important point here. The last few years (and past few months especially) made that pretty clear.

In another 18 months (or sooner if the fleet deminishes) we will find ourselves in exactly the same spot if we are not careful.

Well done fed sec! That should see a few dads a little more happier around the home with the kids. Good to see the ball in our court for the moment.

I reckon now would be a good time to have a meeting with your troops, to re-group, and do a bit of forward planning and start figuring out future moves. No doubt Nassenstein wil be back again after all that back log gets cleared.

Tread carefullly all - our livelihoods depend on it.

Can someone please explain to me how a forced leave policy saves jobs? If it does that's great! I'm not trying to start an argument, merely trying to understand the mechanism.

Is this a short term fix to buy us a few months breathing space before this all starts up again especially given that from Gavin's email the company don't believe that this will obviate the requirement for redundancies? Or is it really something to be celebrated?

And Acute Instinct if you read the next sentence you would understand the context of my statement.

Think of it like this.

Forced leave will reduce the numbers on the workfront at any given time. This will help the company gauge if the work is getting cleared and if their reduction in the number of employees is accurate.

The ALAEA is saying that the culling numbers are excessive and the work will not be getting done with the reduced available manpower and therefore hoping that management may change their outlook and save jobs.

Don't forget that the operation depends on overtime.

Due to the fact that people have regulated their overtime recently, it is hoped that it may have shown the management that they really do need more people than less.

You might want to read the email Also, from the staff travel website

Ok that makes sense. Thanks Workers Perspective. :ok:

Forced annual leave is one thing but forced long service leave (and the reduced pay rates that come with it) is not something that I am happy about.

I've been more than happy to tow the line by not working any OT for the last 4 months but if I'm forced on to 30% less pay for any sustained period we are simply not going to have enough money to pay the bills.

I've always used up my annual leave to relieve the fatigue of shift work and spend time with my young family hence I don't have much saved up at all. Any leave forced on me would have to be long service.

Nobody should be forced to take long service until EVERYONE'S annual and DILs have been used up!

I don't think you can be forced to take any leave other than annual leave afaik.

I hope so!