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What The 22nd Mar 2013 10:32

another superlame,

You said "How about this Chris, invest in a new hangar complex in Sydney? This was to be part of SACLs revamp of the airport."

I have it on very good authority that a tender has been put out to build a 3 x A380 and 3 x 787 capacity hangar over in the space behind the fire station near 16L. The size of the project is enormous (400m x 200m).

I also learned that those ponds beside the road where you go under Southern Cross Drive towards the runway tunnels (behind the VW dealer and the school) are part of a sewage system and contain untreated turds. There is a natural flowing treatment system that takes crap from the city and eastern suburbs and naturally filters it through a series of ponds into Botany Bay.

Anyway, the client is QF and there is a sense of urgency about the project with expected completion of 2016.

The turd system, I'm going to net for mullet. ;)

QF22 26th Mar 2013 09:05

Silence?
 
It looks like things have gone under the " Cone of Silence"?

Jethro Gibbs 26th Mar 2013 10:04

The Cone of Silence is locked down tight all the CR,s at Avalon barely even rated a peep even the local paper pretends they have not happened printing articles about all the jobs at Avalon :ugh:

cvrurass 26th Mar 2013 23:57

CR mentioned at toolbox meeting. 30 mechanical LAME's, 10 structures still to go.

Rumor has it structures to go next week. D check structure rework nearly complete. LAME's to follow. CR's complete by 15 April.

Jethro Gibbs 27th Mar 2013 00:42

More CR,s how will geelong advertiser spin that into more jobs at Avalon or will they just not report them at all as usual .

AEROMEDIC 27th Mar 2013 01:04

How many will be left after the latest round and will there be enough to do the work?
I wonder what the ratio of 457 visa holders is now to pre VR/CR levels?

Dunnocks 27th Mar 2013 02:23

From G Harris
 
LINE MAINTENANCE UPDATE – SYD LAME CONSULTATION UPDATE


On 21st February 2013 the ALAEA formalised their proposal for a forced leave program amongst LAMEs within Sydney LMO, as a proposed means of obviating compulsory redundancies. We consider that a forced leave program would not obviate the redundancies – it would only delay them.

Notwithstanding the differences of opinion on mitigation, at our meeting with the ALAEA today we agreed to implement a forced leave program for LAMEs in Sydney Line Maintenance.

Detailed information about this program will be provided in the near future.

At this stage we anticipate the forced leave program will commence in mid-April, with a view to leave slots being allocated and taken from 1st July 2013. As a result, the expression of interest for voluntary redundancy will cease in mid-April. We would encourage those who have applied for redeployment to continue this course of action.

I hope it has now provided you with some level of certainty as we go forward. What we all need to do now is focus on being the best at what we do and that is continuing to provide our customers with safe, reliable and efficient aircraft.


Gavin

the_company_spy 27th Mar 2013 02:56

So the VR cash book closes April. Anyone who was holding out better put their hand up or else run the risk of missing out altogether.

1me 27th Mar 2013 03:04

So we are now going to have a forced leave program even though the company believes it won't mitigate the "need' for redundancies? Why agree to something like that then? Looks like they'll get us to burn leave and then say "Nope that didn't work.. sorry.. Redundancies are now back on the table".

Yes that'll give the boys a degree of certainty! On you Gavin! :ugh:

600ft-lb 27th Mar 2013 03:11

Regardless if the company is correct or incorrect in their assessment of this only delaying the inevitable, they get to save face in the case they are wrong and they get to save face in the case they are right. They also get to burn leave in case they are wrong. In that context it's a win-win or a win-win for the company.

And at least now for the rest of this year there won't be anyone getting tapped in Sydney.

the_company_spy 27th Mar 2013 03:13

Correct 600, and the guys on the fringe or who knew they were gone have breathing space to look for a job.

sani-com 27th Mar 2013 04:14

Um......how does delaying the prospect of getting a tap on the shoulder "...provide(d) you with some level of certainty..."?

griffin one 27th Mar 2013 04:19

Burn your leave, write down the company debit due leave entitlements,then in October get tapped anyway and receive less or even nothing due liberal in power.

Win,Win,Win

ALAEA Fed Sec 27th Mar 2013 04:36

Think practical guys. Nobody in Syd will be pushed out the door. If it delays it your payout will be higher due to wage rises. More importantly it gives us time to secure new work. Two on the horizon are 330 reconfig or Ek contract.

On the other hand the ALAEA and Qf disagree on future manning to cover the existing work. I am tipping that they will be gravely understaffed as you take more leave than normal. This will drive large amounts of overtime and for those who think it is appropriate to retain leave as some sort of retirement booster why not just work some extra hours and put the money in the bank.

55 Lames will no longer be down centrelink because of it.

the_company_spy 27th Mar 2013 04:38

Redundancy provision in the EA stands unless negotiated out. Start looking for alternate employment.

bandit2 27th Mar 2013 04:49

Well done ALAEA! Hopefully through natural attrition etc there might be zero redundancies. Those people asked to take leave don`t F%^&(^NG whinge about it, you`re helping to save a mates job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

domo 27th Mar 2013 04:50


55 Lames will no longer be down centrelink because of it.

A good result fed sec and a lot better than we were looking at a few weeks ago, As one who was on the chopping block THANKS for your effort at pulling out all stops to retain employment for your members

QF94 27th Mar 2013 05:44


I am tipping that they will be gravely understaffed as you take more leave than normal. This will drive large amounts of overtime and for those who think it is appropriate to retain leave as some sort of retirement booster why not just work some extra hours and put the money in the bank.
Wasn't this being stated earlier? Those who wanted to do O/T were being shot down for costing people their jobs. Now it's OK to do O/T, because there is no REAL positive outcome, other than a deferral of the inevitable.

Won't there be an excess of engineers as 747's and 767's go out the door?

Now we'll be forced to take leave when it's not really necessary, and an amount the company wants us to take to write off their books.

If this is a win for the engineers, then it is a hollow one.

buttmonkey1 27th Mar 2013 06:16

Fedsec, can a redundant lame with a 2-300k handshake report to centrelink for benefits? just asking.

1me 27th Mar 2013 06:34


Quote:
I am tipping that they will be gravely understaffed as you take more leave than normal. This will drive large amounts of overtime and for those who think it is appropriate to retain leave as some sort of retirement booster why not just work some extra hours and put the money in the bank.
Wasn't this being stated earlier? Those who wanted to do O/T were being shot down for costing people their jobs. Now it's OK to do O/T, because there is no REAL positive outcome, other than a deferral of the inevitable.
Have to agree with you there QF94.. I'm a little perplexed about this myself..



Now we'll be forced to take leave when it's not really necessary, and an amount the company wants us to take to write off their books.
I was thinking the same thing..


If this is a win for the engineers, then it is a hollow one.
So hollow the echoes are still reverberating.. Whilst Nasty Stain and his cohorts are still running the show I don't see how we can move forward and rebuild the business..


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