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and more often Bagus, either every x months or so many k's what ever comes first.
So, AJ's new fleet would be grounded more often, wouldn't they? |
If u look at cars handbook there are more inspection requirement than the older model,so how come aircraft maintenance inspection requirement is less now. Can someone tell me where all these new aircraft that don't need maintenance are? Apart from the 380 (and that seems to be an unfolding story) I can't think of many. I would suggest on that premise that the most rudimentary glance at the QF fleet makeup could only lead one to think we need MORE engineers and maintenance rather than less.... |
Can someone tell me where all these new aircraft that don't need maintenance are? However if they keep finding cracks and problems with these new gen aircraft, then the amount inspections and maintenance is going to be nowhere near what is planned and Alan may have to eat his words. However by the time that happens and they need to recruit a large amount of LAMEs Alan won't be around. |
Don't 4get when the goose AJ was saying comparing car servicing to A/C he was preaching to the masses out there,the gen public who generally haven't got a clue & believe everything that's on Ch 7, not those of us who know better,pilots ginger beers etc.
QF is hanging on by a thread mainly due to it's good name & the hard working people who are actually QF. Wmk2 |
Alan may have to eat his words. |
If People are made Redundant at Avalon does Forstaff have the funds to pay everyone out ?
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If People are made Redundant at Avalon does Forstaff have the funds to pay everyone out ? Wouldn't a percentage of the staff there be contractors though ? All part and parcel of the package. Life goes on.. |
I would think 90% work for Forstaff they are not contractors and 5% are qantas staff.
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Question. If they close down Brisbane and/or Tulla (anything is likely with these clowns), will all the 457 visas at Avalon be revoked as there is now a surplus of skilled aircraft maintenance engineers?
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If People are made Redundant at Avalon does Forstaff have the funds to pay everyone out ? |
457 visa at Avalon? What about the fact ALG are still advertising to supply 457 visa's? One would expect the government to step in on this matter already, but then again its the government that has brought us here in the first place. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. BAN all 457 visa's for the aviation industry. Where is the ALAEA. Oh, its too hard for them or they are in bed with Chris Bowen.
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Where is the ALAEA. Oh, its too hard for them or they are in bed with Chris Bowen. Unfortunately, the only thing that can stop QANTAS going under altogether is the sacking of the board in its entirety and placing actual QANTAS management (those with more than 20 years within the company) in their place. Now out of about 35,000 employees, there will be at least 12 who can do the job and do it for the benefit of the company and for a lot less money than the current board. There isn't one current board member that was a QANTAS employee. The company is a cash cow for them and when the last cent is siphoned off, they will move on. This board has no historical ties or working ties with QANTAS. To them it is a "brand" and while it lines their pockets, they will milk it. If you have any better sloutions, then place them on the table. |
I would like to see Qantas get this guy in on a 457 visa. Would be worth it!:D
The greatest CEO in the world : theCHIVE |
I would have no problem with a CEO making $1million a year so long as he/she does what he/she is meant to do. Run the company to the best they can and grow the company. Make viable decisions and actually know what they are doing.
Better still, have them climb through the ranks of the company before taking the top job. One name springs to mind, John Borghetti. But that's right, the outsiders in the board said he wasn't good enough to run QANTAS and wasn't the right "board material". |
empire4 is right why are ALG Looking for 457 VISA Sponsorship Aircraft Maintenance Engineers to work at Qantas ALAEA should be jumping up and down about this.
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Am I missing something here? Qantas boss Alan Joyce states a reduction in Heavy Maintanence Engineers is required as new aircraft don't need as much Maintanence. Whilst Jetstar has set up new Heavy Maintainence bases to maintain a fleet of "newer" aircraft & to train engineers who will maintain aircraft for Asian carriers with "newer" aircraft. MC |
QF 94, one thing is sacking the entire board, then replacing them with QF long term staff. Another thing is the reality of what has happened, is happening and will happen. JB was passed over for the top job. It is all very well to live in an ideal world, however all over the real world CEOs and board members are increasingly being filled with academics straight out of uni or straight from another sinking company. It is a world trend. The board will NOT get sacked before Qantas collapses. I'd bet my house on it!
Secondly, staff at QF have to realise that they can't just think about themselves! Having an abundance of 457 visas will hurt anyone looking for a job when they get made redundant. For years QF staff only look out for themselves when a whole industry needs looking out for. We all know there is a surplus of AMEs & LAMEs in Australia. All 457 visas do is allow companies not to train or pay Australians what they should. This is no way raciest, just nationalist! Hell Alan Joyce came here on a 457 Visa! |
empire4, my suggestion of what would save QANTAS was merely that. A suggestion. I know there is no way known to man that this current board will be removed before the demise of QANTAS.
As for QANTAS staff thinking of themselves. I can't see what's wrong with that. When no one else will look out for you, who's left to look out for you? No one will look out for you like you will. As for who's looking out for the industry. The ALAEA and AIPA are doing what they can, but when CASA and the big end of town undermine everyone, including the government, the industry is basically stuffed. When companies are allowed to virtually self-regulate, they can do what they want. It's not just QANTAS or the aviation industry that's being eroded, it's very much the whole workforce throughout Australia. You would have only had to listen to the news over the last week or two to see the jobs being shed. ANZ - 1,000 Westpac - 350-450 QANTAS - 500 (additional to 1,000 last year) Air Australia - in administration Rigby Kell (home builder) - bankrupt and a couple of hundred jobs there Alcoa Heinz and the list goes on It seems Australia is great at employing foreigners overseas or bringing them here, and putting local Australians out of work, while the board members get ever increasing paypackets. Am I selfish for wanting to protect my job and look out for myself. You bet! So should every other worker out there who is going to have their livelihood taken away from them in a diminishing workforce, and all for the benefit of a few snouts in the trough. |
t's not just QANTAS or the aviation industry that's being eroded, it's very much the whole workforce throughout Australia. You would have only had to listen to the news over the last week or two to see the jobs being shed. ANZ - 1,000 Westpac - 350-450 QANTAS - 500 (additional to 1,000 last year) Air Australia - in administration Rigby Kell (home builder) - bankrupt and a couple of hundred jobs there Alcoa Heinz and the list goes on This is all happening with europe going tits up, US in a deep recession/depression, and soon war with Iran. See the trend? |
Mikk13, not a pretty picture. Now retired I like to do a little charity work, and set out to do Meals On Wheels, on a weekly run. This is really soul destroying as I meet pensioners who share meat trays, rather feed their cat then themselves, who have worked hard all their lives, have meague savings, if any at all, will not use any power, because simply frightened of the power bills, so I am confronted with turned off fridges, kero lamps, or even worse, candles. Their rents simply take up most of their pension, and have little or none left over. These people are not gamblers, or alcoholics, they have been the backbone of the country, worked all their lives, brought up their kids, and more often than not still try to help their kids, good decent moral people, and in a rich country like this their plight is a :mad: disgrace. No plasmas, mobiles, houses, fridges, for them, not like the illegals, just a day to day struggle. Like many of the other blokes that do this run, we find ourselves fixing things that the low landlords will not fix, taking them to the doctors, and doing a myriad of other little jobs just to make life bearable for them, we enjoy it, but the whole thing is a blight on this country and a eye opener for the more privileged.
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Well said Teresa Green:D. What is going on in this country out of sight is a disgrace. the train wreck coming in the economy is going to shock many younger people who have never seen a nasty recession like 1974. Its coming and it will hurt a lot of unprepared people.
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Teresa,
Kudos to you sir for the work you do for our suffering aged pensioners who have worked all their lives in this country and contributed to the social fabric of our society, and are now shunned by this absolute rabble and disgrace of a government. In the mean time, let's all put out the big welcome mat for all the illegals and reward them with a start up grant of $10k and then put a roof over their heads to boot. This country is drowning in welfare and the taxpayers of this great land have a gun at their heads. This is all going to end in tears; big tears and soon. Make like the Boy Scouts motto; "Be Prepared" |
all put out the big welcome mat for all the illegals It's a popular misconception but boat people are not illegals as they come seeking asylum. The real 'illegals' are those who enter through our primary airports, overstay their visae, and then take jobs from Australians. It is this latter group against whom officialdom and society generally should be railing. |
Off topic I know but if you are referring to the asylum seekers who travel to Australia on ricketty boats, they are not 'illegals' as so many think and secribe especially the shock jocks and tabloid TV and newspapers. It's a popular misconception but boat people are not illegals as they come seeking asylum. The real 'illegals' are those who enter through our primary airports, overstay their visae, and then take jobs from Australians. It is this latter group against whom officialdom and society generally should be railing. Either way, they are sucking up welfare that Australians have no access to, and the way things are going, we may all need the welfare to keep newly unemployed people going. Jobs are going offshore and companies are being shut down or downsized. We simply cannot keep going the way we are going. Greece II looks like it can and probably will happen here. |
94 do you mean the movie sequel or the country that just got bailed out about an hour ago?
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Commentary by the super coach!
Off topic I know but if you are referring to the asylum seekers who travel to Australia on ricketty boats, they are not 'illegals' as so many think and secribe especially the shock jocks and tabloid TV and newspapers. It's a popular misconception but boat people are not illegals as they come seeking asylum. The real 'illegals' are those who enter through our primary airports, overstay their visae, and then take jobs from Australians. It is this latter group against whom officialdom and society generally should be railing. |
Right on 94, jeez it pi$$es me off when I see our own, struggling like they do, it really pi$$es me off. One of these days I am going to take their kero lamps and drive to CBR and show those useless bastards what is happening to our own people. Sorry about the diversion Mods, but put it this way, up here on the Goldie a bunch of Pilots, Engineers, and CC have a beer every friday night at one of the surf clubs, we call ourselves "the don't get us started party" Here we solve the problems of QF, JQ, Virgin, all regionals, and the govt. It would be advisable for Joyce never to show, Borgetti is welcome.
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teresa
well done for your efforts with the poor ....a true "Waverlian" the brothers will be proud of you....I beleive the EOI's will be out soon for line....will be a lot of dissapointement as only 30 slots to cover bne/syd/mel/adl...maybe a few transfers from base might be on the cards to line???????....the rim
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As I hate to see people demonised as a result of ignorance, I am reproducing the following from the SBS website in an effort to help allay some misunderstandings:
Asylum seekers who arrive in Australia by boat are neither engaging in illegal activity, nor are they immigrants. The UN Refugee Convention (to which Australia is a signatory) recognises that refugees have a right to enter a country for the purposes of seeking asylum, regardless of how they arrive or whether they hold valid travel or identity documents. The Convention stipulates that what would usually be considered as illegal actions (e.g. entering a country without a visa) should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum. This means that it is incorrect to refer to asylum seekers who arrive without authorisation as “illegal”, as they in fact have a right to enter Australia to seek asylum. In line with our obligations under the Convention, Australian law also permits unauthorised entry into Australia for the purposes of seeking asylum. Asylum seekers do not break any Australian laws simply by arriving on boats or without authorisation. Australian and international law make these allowances because it is not always safe or practicable for asylum seekers to obtain travel documents or travel through authorised channels. Refugees are, by definition, persons fleeing persecution and in most cases are being persecuted by their own government. It is often too dangerous for refugees to apply for a passport or exit visa or approach an Australian Embassy for a visa, as such actions could put their lives, and the lives of their families, at risk. Refugees may also be forced to flee with little notice due to rapidly deteriorating situations and do not have time to apply for travel documents or arrange travel through authorised channels. Permitting asylum seekers to enter a country without travel documents is similar to allowing ambulance drivers to exceed the speed limit in an emergency – the action would ordinarily be considered illegal, but the circumstances warrant an exception. It is also incorrect to refer to asylum seekers as migrants. A migrant is someone who chooses to leave their country to seek a better life. They make a conscious choice to leave and they can return whenever they like. Refugees are forced to leave their country and cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves. Some are forced to flee without warning; significant numbers of them have suffered torture and trauma. The concerns of refugees are human rights and safety, not economic advantage. |
............Anyway, back to the topic of this thread.:ugh:
I understand Qantas management and the associated engineering unions held the first of what should be several meetings in Sydney today to discuss the future. Anybody got any idea as to what came of this meeting? And on exactly what direction Qantas is looking to go with regard to Heavy Maintenance? |
Ken they may well have been refugees when they fled in 'terror' from 'persecution' in, for example, Afghanistan into say, Pakistan. By the time they transit through Malaysia and Indonesia and then throw their paperwork overboard enroute to Ashmore Reef they are illegal!!!
Just how many countries does a refugee have to transit before it becomes obvious they are shopping for a better life rather than fleeing persecution? Make it perfectly clear that if you arrive illegally you don't get 1 dollar of support, let alone the avalanche of money thrown at boat people, and watch the 'refugee' flow into Australia dry up overnight. Only an idiot would hold up SBS as the final word on illegal immigration.:ugh: |
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Read this: Edmund Rice Centre
An extract here Myth 11: Refugees should stay in the first country they come to and 'join the queue' Fact: Australia has not taken a single refugee from the UNHCR in Jakarta - from the so-called 'queue' - for more than three years. This is despite the rhetoric from Australian politicians for asylum seekers to be processed in Indonesia. It should also be noted that the UNHCR centre in Indonesia was set up by Australia with Indonesian support. Refugees cannot stay in Indonesia because Indonesia is not a signatory to the Refugee Convention. There is no requirement in international law for refugees to seek asylum in the first country they come to. Some developed countries have made this an additional requirement in order to avoid processing claims, leaving the large numbers of asylum seekers in camps in Third World countries. International law requires that asylum seekers should not be penalised according to the way in which they enter a country. Australia's current policy does not accord with this requirement. Some people have given up on the 'queue' and resorted to coming by boat. 24 of those who recently died when their ship sank off the coast of Indonesia had already been granted refugee status by the UNHCR in Jakarta. Many more had relations in Australia who had been provided with asylum but were not allowed access to their wives and children. Simply, the 'queue' does not work. |
Anyway, getting back on to topic, who's going to employ the thousands of people made redundant recently and how is this going to help our economy?
Chockchucker, I haven't heard the outcome of the meeting today, but what was that relating to "Heavy Maintenance"? Melbourne is basically shut down for HM. Sydney only has Base Maintenance and Brisbane is forced to stay open because 1) It's new and 2) they have a contract with the defence forces for the maintenance on the 330 tankers. As for other "HM" I don't believe QANTAS is looking at anything within Australia. It's just a matter of wait and see. All will be revealed...... |
The company will already know what they are going to do you really think they care what the unions think after just being in a huge barney with them the meetings are just a time wasting exercise.
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Any who my thought is it will be BNE its new they own it MEL its old and AVV its old they just rent hangars and Qantas owned equipment could be shipped out over night.
And as for Forstaff no customer means no Forstaff. |
The company will already know what they are going to do you really think they care what the unions think after just being in a huge barney with them the meetings are just a time wasting exercise. My $$'s are on BNE with AVV to stay (for the time being) to handle the 744's. Not sure if they could physically fit the amount they need to do in the BNE hangar ? Of course, that opens up "Option B", keeping BNE only and sending all the "overflow" (anything more then one aircraft at a time) overseas ?? ST |
As an aside to the comments regarding refugees, you've got to protect the Australian jobs and economy first, otherwise when we're all unemployed and living on the bare minimum, who'll support the 'refugees' then??
It might seem cruel to stem the flow now but if they take on more than they can handle now, it'll only get worse for them, not better. Look after the citizens interests first, so they are gainfully employed and financially able to contribute and help those less fortunate. /thread creep |
And if Australia was beset by invasion, of the style the Japanese may have inflicted during WWII, or civil war, and Australians were to attempt to depart en masse for a safer haven, how many of you are going to be content to stop in Malaysia, or Thailand, or Indonesia??????
And how many will try to make Europe or the US, where conditions might be perceived to be better?????? |
And if Australia was beset by invasion, of the style the Japanese may have inflicted during WWII, or civil war, and Australians were to attempt to depart en masse for a safer haven, how many of you are going to be content to stop in Malaysia, or Thailand, or Indonesia?????? And how many will try to make Europe or the US, where conditions might be perceived to be better?????? When the top end of Australia had the bejesus bombed out of it in WWII, the Australians then did not flee. They put up the best fight they could. I don't believe that Australians would flee Australia because of the following points:
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QF94, your probably right about Australia not being militarily invaded but the point is, HAD the Japanese been successful and had they wanted to invade and control the whole of Australia during WW II, Australia and our way of life would be nothing as we know it to be. In these hypothetical scenarios, we'd be the ones looking for sanctuary and I'll wager London to a brick, that not too many of the current xenophobes will be stopping in Indonesia because it's the first country. Nor will they be joining to queue, non existent as it is, to go somewhere to their liking.
Folk should look at photos of POWs of Changi, etc, and then think to themselves, "what would I do if I was treated like that"? |
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