Hey Mr 1A et al....

Re" Selling it all off was a mistake".......

SO WAS THE WHOLE "PRIVATEISATION" SCAM!!!:yuk::yuk:

The airports for example....what has cost us - "The hard working families of Australia" - more???

Pay to land, pay to park, pay to park the car......
THAT ALONE has KILLED G/A....And raised the price of a ticket for ALL RPT travellers....

Don't get me started!!!!

Apols for the drift.......:mad::mad:

GRIFFO we dont sell off the hospitals or the ambulance service do we? Qantas Act should be amended and QF ear marked by Government as an essential service and buy it back

What, like around where it was a few months before current management came in?

God help Qantas and its staff if Alan Joyce has inked a deal with Malaysian.

This will not end well.

This morning at 7am there were 170 comments, 99% of which were critical of Qantas management. Now it appears they've wiped the lot. In fact, if you google "qantas the yub" ('the yub' was one of the union bashers who'd made several posts I'd remembered from this morning) the very first link that comes up contains a little snippet of the yub's wisdom and directs you to the SMH article. So I know I wasn't dreaming.

I guess Qantas PR must be back from Xmas holidays, cheque books at the ready :mad:

I certainly hope the PR machine comes out of hiding. I would like to see Wirthless make some media statements while dressed in baju melayu, those traditional clothes suit her slender frame and dominatrix style scowl. Maybe throw in some knee length crocodile skin boots and she can make me her bitch forever!!! Fair dinkum, I think I am in love!
Forget the incompetent management, tanked share price and the overall sinking ship, gve me Livvy in a full length rubber suit any day !

Cactus.................Cactus,............ wake up. You've been lured in. It will be a slow painful death. You'll receive the same treatment as all other employees. Used to fit a means. Imagine, suffocating in amongst the rubber suit, and spat out at the other end with nothing left.

Oh yes please, yes indeed, just the way I like it!

Anyone tipping its a full blown merger with MAS?

piston broke again Anyone tipping its a full blown merger with MAS?

If that is the case then as soon as MAS have secured the cash reserve QF have in the bank, then QF will be cast adrift and then go down the tube.
This will be the only reason a cash strapped carrier will merge with Qantas.

Well, Mr 1A,

In WA, the ambos ARE 'Private' - St Johns - owned by 'overseas interests' I am led to believe....

Don't even think of ever needing one unless you are in a fund....
Can be up to $800 per time - and that's according to a 'fund' advert.

And yes, I have preferred a 'private' hospital over the local State one from time to time - Lucky I'm in a 'Fund' eh??

And tell me, why should we 'limit' any buy back to QANTAS, an airline?
How about all of the AIRPORTS which are an ESSENTIAL part of any nation's and city's infrastructure.

Try living in this age without one!

As much as I am 'AUS' and a great fan of all things 'AUS', including our 'National Carrier', why we continue to 'sell the farm' / utilities that WE the taxpayers owned, and then expect it not to cost us, the taxpayers MORE, (Read - the hard working families of Australia etc etc..blah blah...) is beyond my poor comprehension....

I rest my case....:yuk:

Apols for the drift.......:}

Saw on the news Joyce has been warned by the chief economist not to cut jobs.. Doesn't mean he wont..

Qantas-Malaysian Airlines Alliance Has Wings: Macquarie - Deal Journal Australia - WSJ

water fountain talk in the macquarie offices ?

Like last time they announced jobs to go. They weren't being 'offshored', the 'jobs are gone' statement came out. A nice spin on the fact that jobs are being lost in Australia and gained in some other country.

So yeah, the jobs won't be offshored, the jobs are gone. Big difference ok ?

It's back up again to their credit, but buried deep in the travel section, comments now closed.
Grounding 'positive' for Qantas brand: Joyce

Now if Mr Joyce was concerned about the safety of the aircraft when he decided to ground the airline and 'lock out' its employees because they wouldn't be able to concentrate, surely the impending sacking of its staff would be of a greater concern and he must again ground the fleet again.

Shown an email sent around today to crew saying despite the rumours no big announcement planned and just the results announced and committed to being Australian employer etc etc

My money is on a delay of retiring current QF aircraft. The long term plan of having the 330's as domestic aircraft, relies on the new terminal at Sydney. There is no point re engineering the current Qantas terminal, they will be out in a handful of years. And as the current QF terminal can only handle 2 x 330's, they wouldnt want to send too many more 330's to the domestic operation just yet.

Thursday will be a non event.

A QF manager told me today that they are going to be pulling out of Frankfurt and Mumbai and shutting down 737 heavy maintainance in Melbourne. :ugh:

It is all about routes cut and shutting down one maintenance base,engineering wil be badly affected,

Melbourne heavy has been in a progressive shut down for years, gradually cutting out departments that have provided highly reliable components to qantas for years, as they closed them reliability went south. The death of a thousand cuts.......

Good luck fellow gingers.....:(

I recall 2 things that possible add weight to this rumor about MEL heavy.

1) Saw an email with B738 PCT attendees location "AVV".
2) Docking investment diverted from MEL to AVV for 738's about 6 months ago.

It's not a recent decision, they've been setting their cards up for a while now.

So when the mining "boom" lets up one day is there going to be any industry left in Australia? Sounds like not.

Just got the word on the BA , Engine Shop in Mascot to reopen , HM in Syd to reopen along with Component shops , All TWU to be emplyed direct by QF . AND WAIT FOR IT ! JQ to close and all flying to reurn to QF.
What do you mean , pigs will fly ? don't they? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I think centrelink will be booming!

But....but..........but.........they cant close Melbourne Heavy...........
We have just had the consultants through and they have told us all our "rotating machinery" is horribly unsafe and needs to be replaced at great cost.........

They wouldnt spend all that money and then close the place.........

Would they?

Qantas grounds spoof Twitter account

Qantas Avalon Job cuts are on the Way Job cuts a matter for bosses: Baillieu Thanks Ted big Help.

Woollcott,
That is exactly why they would employ consultants, to tell them what they have already decided to do and to give them the reasons to do it.

From consultants side, work out their fee and then divide by average wage and that is how many people they need to get rid of to justify the report.

Sad but true.

"Job cuts a matter for bosses", and "concentrating on a strong budget" Brilliant Ted. One would think employment is kind of high on the list of things required for a strong economy. Here Teddy, come over here and roll over for nice belly scratch.... :yuk:

i remember in 2005 qantas spending a few million fixing H245,overhauling docks ,painting,fixing all the long term faults.at the time a few of the senior LAME,s made the point this must be the end for us,and what do you know.All that docking has now been cut out and i think there washing aircraft in there know.:sad:

Reading yesterdays aust fin review, Billy Shorten, imbicile, has fallen for
Joyces old chestnut, likening new aircraft to new cars, that don't need
as much servicing as the the old ones.
The gay leprachaun also reacons its like we don't need to check the car
oil every sa'turd'ay.
This guy is full of it. Turds like this call motor clubs to change a flat tyre.

You heard it here first.

Within Two years, "Globalisation", "Offshoring" and "Outsourcing" of critical business technologies will be things of the past.

It's not just me saying this, it is at least one group of economists whose opinion I respect.

Globalization and Offshoring will be victims of political pressure and 20%+++ unemployment rates in Europe and America.

Outsourcing will be a vicitm of sovereign risk and commercial risk. To put that another way, how would you like to have your engine maintenance outsourced to Greece right now? What happens when your supplier suddenly can't get finance? What happens when your currency suddenly implodes?

To put that in an Australian context, if the Federal Government cannot by hook or by crook get some equalisation of gain and pain between the States then there is going to be what is euphemistically called "Social Unrest'.

The Federal resources rent tax (the mining tax) had better recycle dollars to NSW, SA, VIC and TAS or there is going to be trouble when unemployment starts rising - thanks to businesses closing because of the strong Australian dollar - caused by the mining boom. You can already hear this sentiment on talk radio.

The other example of course is the Murray Darling Basin. South Australians jokingly talked about marching upstream and blowing up the dams. At least it was only talk, but if they get a **** sandwich in the next drought it might become more serious.

If China comes off the boil the mining boom will tank very quickly. Same when interest rates start to rise (happening already). There will then be a great deal of people who see themselves as victims of international forces that the Australian Government refused to even try to control. The first outcome of that will be protectionism. The second outcome will be a drastically lower Australian dollar - but the employment opportunities that can produce will be long in coming.

And Qantas? It will have neatly closed all its Australian maintenance and overhaul facilities and squandered its cash on foreign ventures just in time to take the full force of the downturn right in its face.

This line about reminded me.

Over a game of golf in early January, myself and another former QF employee had a game with 2 other guys. Conversation went something like:


(Me to New Guy) Where do you work?
(NG new guy) I work for QANTAS,
(Me) Yeah, how's that going, not a happy place I hear,
(NG) No it's a great place to work run by great people,
(Me) I heard that it wasn't so great (admit here that I was trying to get oput of him if he was management a newer employee or an old timer etc)
(NG) the propblem at QANTAS is the old work practices and those things have to change like the engineers, you don't need their old practices, aircraft are just like new cars, plug them into computers and you immediately know where the problem is and fix them.

(2nd former employee) what about all the items that computers don't show?
(NG) there's not many of them these days when you have new aircraft.

Found that this guy was management and had been there for 3 years only.
Perhaps, the management training is all about 'educating' the new staff so they can all roll out

new aircraft
 

dont think computors picked up the "tiny cracks in the wing rib support feet on the A380".....that was good old/young LAME's doing there job.The Qantas founders must be rolling in their graves:confused:

I have a mate that startted a new career as a warranty manager for Volvo and Range Rover - now some of the most electronically sophisticated vehicles on the planet.

Guess what? He has a very steady workload just in software upgrades to fix problems alone. Mechanical failures are expensive too around $2000 dealer wholesale for a fuel injection pump (petrol not diesel!)

A Sydney cabin crew "manager" has in an unprecedented move, organised sandwiches for the crew attending EP recurrent training for tomorrow.

Very kind of self servicing, ideologically driven and incompetent fools to offer the condemned a last meal. :yuk:

It's probably that managers last meal too.

Must be ex CX manager. We always used to get a tray of sandwiches in Sim training.

And all the CC managers have been positioned around the world to hold Q & A sessions from tomorrow. Must be more of an announcement than fin results???