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ALAEA Fed Sec 10th Jun 2011 22:43

How to Fix the Qantas International Business
 
Hey all, I now it is not our job but at the end of the day, this mess will need to be sorted. I was just wondering how some of you think the International arm of Qantas could become more profitable. It appears to me that poor decisions are being made deliberately to make her look unprofitable and then being used as an excuse to "not invest" in anything other than Jetstar. The information you can post here will assist us (pilots and engineers) greatly when some of the matters around our EA negotiations are heard before Commissioners in FWA.

Just to get the ball rolling -
  • We have a number of departments within Engineering where lost customer contracts have left our members with little work. Ditching contracts has not saved them money becasue the staff numbers are the same. How about we get those workforces busy again by picking up as much customer work as possible.
  • Excessive layers of management. I thought Alan wanted less layers between the CEO and the worker. In 2007 they introduced Ops managers at Australian ports that sit in between the Engineering managers and the Foreman. They were essentially engaged to act as strike breakers during our last dispute, not that they helped at all. I say, get rid of them, let the managers do what they used to do instead of spending their days harassing the workforce.
  • Stop sending 737 aircraft overseas for heavy mainteance. Every one has come back broken and very late. You can easily fit them in the next bay at the Melbourne hangar, even if a large chunk of work was done on overtime, it would still be cheaper.
  • Stop all the rubbish court cases you are involved in against your own staff members and their unions. The IR legal budget must be at least $10 million a year. All in order to demonise workers into thinking they have no rights and can be treated like murr by their bored managers.
  • Buy some aircraft with the correct configuration. How can we already be spending hundreds of millions to change the 380 layout?
  • Stop the wank. Not sure if it is company wide but I was recently handed some little cards that were to be handed out to "Acknowledge those who shine". Please sack the fool or consultant who created this costly garbage and put a bloody bbq on for the Engineers instead.
  • Resolve the outstanding Sunstate LAME dispute. The guys have reached agreement with you on the terms, they just want their backpay like every other staff member has got. It amounts to about $60,000. If you haven't spent $10 million fighting them, I will eat my hat. And yes, I know it is not Qantas International but I bet the legal bills are all being booked there via the Oldmeadow consulting group.
  • Get some real edible food on board. It would have to be cheaper than the cr@p being served now.
I really would appreciate any further ideas.

cheers
Steve Purvinas

stewser89 10th Jun 2011 22:47

Steve

How are they changing the A380 Config?


I would also add energise the workforce

Cheers

Cameron

ALAEA Fed Sec 10th Jun 2011 22:54


How are they changing the A380 Config?

As far as i know they are getting rid of first class. They told us about a week ago and that the reconfig would be carried out in Manilla. I don't think LT in Manilla have ever worked a 380 but the Qantas Supply department have determined them the best available option.

Sunfish 10th Jun 2011 23:01

Immediately fire any Qantas Board member or manager who has spouted this "Legacy Airline" crap. Start with Clifford and Joyce.

"Legacy Airline" is code for no investment and "harvesting" every bit of return from the airline before throwing it away. It means no investment in people or technology because it has been decided that the object is a "Legacy" for which there is no further use - the airline is going to die so we won't waste time on it. This attitude has now been entrenched as conventional wisdom withing Qantas management and it pollutes their entire thinking.

It was entrenched when Marg and Dixon started labeling Qantas as a "legacy airline" - that was code for every manager in Qantas to take that idea on board and make it happen - to act to make it true.

To put it another way, the days of every employee of Qantas International were numbered as soon as the words were out of Dixons mouth - "you have no future, we will not invest in you, when you leave we will not replace you."

To put it another way; Jackson, Clifford, Dixon and Joyce consigned every single Qantas group employee who was not part of Jetstar to the equivalent of the Sandakan Death March.

Jetstar is the future for management. Joyce is incapable of conceiving any other future because of his background and experience. The death of Qantas mainline is certain under his stewardship. He does not understand that the fixation with the Low Cost model will not survive traffic downturns and a maturing corporate infrastructure, even Ryanair has recently worked that out. "Legacy airline vs. LCC" is last century's battle.

You cannot survive as long as "Legacy airline" thinking persists in Qantas management. They will simply say that SP's (and other) good ideas will just prolong the final agony. In their minds you are finished and there is nothing you can do to change their thinking.

Until these folk are removed, nothing can be done.

bobhoover 10th Jun 2011 23:10

buy/lease triplers. Surely the rest of the world can't be wrong. Even 747-8 should be seriously considered.

ALAEA Fed Sec 10th Jun 2011 23:18

Sunfish what would you call the (in management terms) "Legacy Airline"?

What word should we as proud employees (and ex in my case) use to describe Qantas?

rodchucker 10th Jun 2011 23:22

ALEA,

The best word would be JOYCELESS

That sums it up and would immediately engender staff loyalty.

A decent CEO would manage upwards the Chairman and tell show him the door as round 2.

oicur12.again 10th Jun 2011 23:25

"I was just wondering how some of you think the International arm of Qantas could become more profitable."

Better customer service.

Newer aircraft.

Lower fares.

stewser89 10th Jun 2011 23:41

part of the problem is that Qantas is pricing itself out of the market and I know that I'm going to get flamed for this but Qantas needs to increase its efficencies and lowers its cost base to reduce ticket prices.

If its unable to do this its a dead duck.

BTW thanks Steve... I can't believe all the works being done o/s :ugh:

Thats said its such a wonder why they have to reduce First class. Have a look at the price difference between Suites on Singapore's 380s and Qantas. Still a truckload of money though.

SkyScanner 11th Jun 2011 00:18

Given the constraints of Sydney airport and the plentiful of space available in Canberra, do a deal with the federal government to build and run the biggest maintenance base in the southern hemisphere in Canberra. Build multiple hangars that can used for 787s when they arrive plus additional 737 maintenance that cannot be done in Melbourne. Reopen the engine overhaul section and tender out for work worldwide based on our long and proud history of getting longevity out of the engines.

Better utilise the aircraft: Why network scheduling has aircraft sitting around idle for extended periods is just ridiculous. My biggest bug bear is when the 97 flies to HKG and sits on the ground for 16 hrs, then flies back where it sits in BNE for 12 hrs, an absolute waste of resources.

New routes (all of these can be done using our current fleet of aircraft more efficiently): BNE-BKK-FCO (2x), MEL-BKK-ATH (3x), HKG-PEK, SYD-DXB-LHR(daily), CNS-DRW-SIN (daily), LHR-PER (cut EK right out), BNE-NAD (sat), SIN-HKG (daily), SYD-OOL (6x a day).

Less managers: WTF do we need so many cabin crew managers for and how exactly do they add value?

Less SPIN doctors: WTF do I keep hearing about the new spirit when its the same old product?

howyoulikethat 11th Jun 2011 00:19

Offer VR.....all those blokes who don't want to be part of it anymore, move on.The blokes who do, work together as one..no more of this
QF INT-QF DOM bull****!the time has come to stand together.....look at ports like Perth where its combined no worries at all,except lack of manpower,true there is less blokes/girls there than the bigger ports but
bloody hell compared to the east coast its pure harmony.....time to bury
the hatchet and get on with being mates no more blue and red lets make
it purple and we really do stand together......:ok:

assasin8 11th Jun 2011 00:27

Agree with all your points Steve... Well done...

I think our management needs to focus on PROVIDING A SERVICE!

It's the basics that are being lost and thus turning customers away...

How often do I hear from CSMs, that they haven't even got enough catering for business class... Let alone, still having a choice of mains, by the time they get to the last row!

FFS, these passengers pay a heap for a business class ticket (and they're WILLING to pay to get a better product!) and expect something in return... An extra meal isn't going to break the budget!

Obviously, some management 101 graduate ran the numbers and saw that on any other given day, X amount of meals are tossed out... So, by reducing the catering by X (or however they worked it out), they would save Y per financial year (gotta love how they can't see past that amazing "end of financial year" crap! Might have something to do with their almighty KPIs and bonuses?).

Only problem is that by not providing the service expected, that passenger may never return...

Same for working entertainment systems! Same for getting that wheelchair at the other end. Same for a hand with the kids and baggage... The list is endless, but it all boils down to one thing... SERVICE!

As you said, why do we waste money on "touchy feely BS"... Centre of Excellence, Excel awards, breakfast with Lyell, glossy in house magazines...etc, etc...

Then there are the more serious technical aspects... Poor route network, lack of fleet renewal (...while our LCC has a fleet of brand new aircraft!), lack of vision with respect to aircraft choice and configuration... etc, etc...

As I've posted previously, there are two things that set Qantas apart from any other Airline... We are uniquely Australian and, of course, our safety reputation... Our passengers have and continue to pay that bit extra for these very things!

If we do not maintain these, then there will be nothing to stop the flow of passengers to any other operator! It is this, that is losing us market share and will continue, if the Board doesn't acknowledge the fact that the offshoring of work will cause us to lose our identity and customer base!

Get back to basics, offer the SERVICE our passengers have paid for! Look after the passengers, who in turn will come back next time... That will take care of the profits!:ugh:

Oldmate 11th Jun 2011 01:19

Fixing Qantas
 
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Short_Circuit 11th Jun 2011 01:24

KPIs and bonuses killed service & safety... The fix is obvious :ok:

CaptCloudbuster 11th Jun 2011 01:25

Mr Chairman, YOU MUST LISTEN!
 
Back in March on QREWROOM a letter from a QF FO to Clifford was posted which generated over 10000 views!

The poster advised the reply consisted of a 3 LINE RESPONSE which said Clifford was satisfied with his Managements performance.:ugh:


Mr Clifford,
The 16th of November marked the 90th year since the signing of the historic papers at the Gresham hotel in Brisbane where this airline took its infant steps. The resilience Qantas has shown through the decades is a testament to the loyalty and hard work of its employees that have come together to endure all that has been placed before us. In recent times though, the decisions of management have caused a shift in the goodwill of its staff with engagement levels at an all time low. The Qantas fleet continues to age and any chance for Qantas mainline growth seems to stall at every turn due to Jetstar being the flavour of the month. We have seen the airline go from aviation innovator to laggard in many respects and with the exception of “Next generation check-in”, Qantas seems to be shying away from the big picture decisions such as new routes, new aircraft and not only maintaining the passenger experience, but enhancing it. Mr Clifford, the reason I am writing to you today is not only as a concerned shareholder, but also as a concerned employee. All who I speak with fear this company will not live to see its centenary, we fear for Qantas’s future, we fear for this company we love working for.

You may question as to why I am to writing to you and not the CEO. Unfortunately previous correspondence to Mr Joyce has gone unanswered and unacknowledged. Such correspondence looked at ways of making improvements to the company that would enhance shareholder value. Improvements that would also raise the level of goodwill amongst employees which in turn leads to improvements in productivity.

We as employees want nothing but the ultimate for our customers. Not only do we want this airline to be the best, most respected and safest airline, but most importantly the most trusted airline to get your family from A to B. We, as employees, want to see an end to the “us versus them”, “employee versus management” that rages on. The segmentation of the airline damaged relations as managers did their best to maximise their own KPIs to get a bonus. More often than not this was done at the expense of the group as a whole because it cost other departments more money to rectify the problem. I believe the term used is Penny Wise – Pound Foolish.

Mr Clifford, the current KPI bonus system that Qantas employs is doing detriment to the Group as a whole. The siloed structure still continues with managers only thinking of their own rewards.

We as employees want to see the end to the constant stream of industrial and airline consultants that do nothing but drive a wedge between staff and bosses alike. We should not have to rely on Boston Consulting Group to gauge how the employees or customers are feeling – all you have to do is spend a day in their shoes and you will know instantly where we can improve. Perhaps senior management should take the Rob Fyfe line and go and talk with the ground staff, go and talk with the cabin crew, go and load bags, find out what is really going on. As employees we look for direction from management as to where this airline is heading. As yet we haven’t seen a definitive direction – Is mainline going to grow? Are we going to shrink? Will we see a time when Qantas mainline hires another pilot or will our junior pilots continue to live in fear of losing their jobs? We are still looking for inspiration and direction from the senior managers.

We want to be the pinnacle of world aviation, we just need direction. Mr Clifford, what do we as employees need to do to help?

As always the company and its employees will have the occasional stoushes when it comes to EBA time, but one hopes that we will never see a return to the fight that Qantas had with its engineers; a fight that Qantas reported cost well in excess of $160 million not to mention the non-tangible effect from passengers who now fly with other carriers.

Over the years this airline has gone from innovator to imitator. Not for a moment am I suggesting that we involve ourselves in risky strategies, but to be successful at anything you have to at least make an effort. Too often we hear how something is too hard or we cannot do it, what we should be hearing is what we can do to make it work. We should be utilising our proud workforce to look for ways of making things succeed. In this financial year alone, myself and several other pilots, have made presentations to the company that can save tens to hundreds of millions of dollars. These varied from operational efficiencies through fuel savings, a voluntary redundancy scheme (which was successfully implemented at BA), to crew reduction strategy by allowing pilots to transfer to other group entities, this ensures that on an overall basis the company saves money.

Mr Clifford, the Qantas mainline workforce is over 27,000 people strong. The backgrounds of each employee are different, from doctors to lawyers and even investment bankers. I personally have a commerce degree that included Dean’s honour roll for outstanding results. We should be utilising our staff not ignoring them.

Over the past 12 months I have had the opportunity to fly on Emirates, British Airways, Jetstar Asia, Etihad, Cathay Pacific, Virgin Blue, Silk Air, Transavia, Vietnam Airlines, Ryanair, Tyrolean and finally Thai Airways last week; thus you could say I have had a good cross sections of airlines with which to make comparisons. Moreover, with the exception of intra-Europe flying, all of the other services could have been operated on Qantas as either a route we used to fly or one in which we can. Without wanting to sound biased the Qantas International product (in particular 330 and 380) is one in which many airlines can only strive to match. Etihad was amateur, Thai Airways didn’t have personal entertainment, the Cathay seats were shocking and Emirates simply had too many nationalities of cabin crew to form a cohesive working group. As such I wonder why Qantas continues to deny Australians a viable alternative?

We continually hear from Yield or Network (no-one ever identifies themselves) that Qantas just “cannot make money on that route”. I refer to the earlier statement as to “why we cannot do something” and simply say “what do we as an airline have to do to make it an attractive option”. I, as do many others, sometimes wonder if these are the same so called experts who told us that the 777 aircraft was not right for us, this aircraft being of course the backbone of Emirates, Singapore and Cathay. Are these the same people from cargo who have cost us millions in unnecessary fines... money that could have been better spent re-investing in a new fleet.

The Qantas fleet age is also becoming problematic. Whilst all airlines have their difficulty with difference aircraft from time to time, our recent problems are due to the age of our aircraft. At present we have 56 aircraft aged 15 years and over, this is equivalent to driving a VN model Holden Commodore 15 hours a day, every day, for 15 years; eventually, no matter how great our engineers are, they are going to break, we are rapidly reaching that point. We are supposed to be a premium carrier offering our passengers nothing but the best, yet our fleet age is staggering. The 767 OG series average 17 years, the 747-400 (excluding 6 ERs) average 18 years, the 767 ZX series 19 years and our fleet of 737-400 also average 19 years old. To put that into comparison, Emirates have an average fleet age of 6 years, Singapore Airlines 6 years, Virgin Blue 5 years and Jetstar just 4 years. The frequent flyers are sick of flying on old aircraft and wonder with amazement why we are insisting on giving the latest and greatest 787 to Jetstar before mainline. Aren’t they supposed to be the low cost arm of the Group?

Due to the recent staff embargo, I had to fly Darwin to Singapore on Jetstar. The flight I flew on was JQ 57, a daily Airbus 321 which replaced the original QF 81/82 mainline service. As you are well aware the target market for Jetstar is the money conscious passengers on a budget. This flight was particularly interesting given the demographic was not budget at all, but full fare passengers who were all going onto Europe. As such I got talking to fellow passengers and asked them their view on services out of Darwin. All were of the unanimous view that they would fly Qantas in a heartbeat, it is just they do not offer NT passengers a choice. The same goes for Cairns passengers who now chose Cathay because of the convenience.

Morale plays an important role in any organisation. Previous Qantas managers have openly stated that the shareholders come before staff. This approach only has limited success until engagement plunges. I recently read an article about how Ralph Norris has taken the Commonwealth Bank to a new and improved level. As the AFR reported, he has undertaken a “people revolution”, this is where more engaged staff leads to more satisfied customers and wealthier investors. 5 years ago his organisation was quoted as being “very hierarchal, bureaucratic and siloed” where there was too much “internal competition instead of focusing on the real competition, the bank’s external rivals. That drove risk-adverse behaviours and a lot of butt-covering.” Today, because of the culture change, the staff engagement now rates at over 75% with retail customer satisfaction at an all time high. The parallels between the CBA and Qantas are so frightfully similar. Mr Clifford, you and other members of the board are filtered as to what really goes on in this organisation because those below you do not want to lose face; this is dangerous. This sort of culture needs to change. The CBA experience though gives us employees hope that change can happen for the better. Engagement can be improved. Trust in management can be rebuilt. The staff will deliver greater benefits for the customers who in turn will reward the shareholders. Management must lead the way.

At a recent briefing given by Alan Joyce and Lyell Strambi, they mentioned the fact that Virgin is charging the Gold Coast passengers a premium because they do not really have any real competition on the route. When mainline pulled off the Gold Coast to Melbourne in 2004, replaced by Jetstar, the patronage for all airlines that year was 836,000. Fast forward to this financial year and the passenger numbers have almost doubled to 1,645,900. Also in the current year the Gold Coast to Sydney route
serviced 2,295,000, making it the fourth busiest route in Australian domestic airspace. Load factors remain well above 80% and Virgin operate 33% more flights than Jetstar does. All in all, in the 2009-10 financial year we have just under 4,000,000 passengers who did not have the opportunity to fly mainline. As not only an employee, but also a shareholder, I am staggered as to how and why we continue to neglect not only one of the busiest air routes, but one of the largest non-Capital city markets by population.

When it comes to our nearest competitor it is no secret that Virgin has grand plans for the domestic market. John Borghetti lived and breathed Qantas passengers for in excess of 3 decades and is certainly in a position to know the customer. Already they have let slip that they have plans for 4 330-200 aircraft with Business class service to match. We know that their target is to gain 20% of the business market, thus I am asking what we will do to counteract it. Passengers know that the 767 are far past their prime. We should be counteracting immediately with its retirement and the putting on of more 330s to Perth. For every 1 passenger that flies Virgin business class, this is 1 passenger we risk losing to our competitor.

Mr Clifford, the Australian public want to travel on Qantas, not just to London or Frankfurt but to other great cities of the world. I am realistic enough to know that we cannot service a substantial amount of European ports or US cities, but I am also acutely aware that we can be doing a lot better than we really are. The Australian public want to travel Qantas however are not given the opportunity to do so. In the year 2000, Qantas International flew over 64.879 Billion ASKs and had over 34% of the international passenger market, this year we flew only 60.608 Billion ASKs or 7% less than 10 years ago, as a result our market share has fallen to under 20%.

My father is a life time gold Qantas frequent flyer. He was a platinum flyer for many years, so much so he was invited on the inaugural Los Angeles to Brisbane flight. Although subsequent family circumstances have meant he has cut down flying a lot, at his peak he had well over 1,000,000 frequent flyers points, enough for 4 first class return tickets to London. Even now he is getting frustrated that he cannot fly Qantas on his points (even the any seat function was not available), because we don’t offer such opportunities. An example of this was our recent trip to Ireland, whilst he was able to come up on the QF 29 to London, he had to fly home on Finnair via Helsinki to Bangkok and then Jetstar to Melbourne because Qantas was not available.

Qantas management throughout the years have spoken of our continual inability to have enough cash flow to fund new aircraft at the rates which we want. Having the finance degree under my belt and having studied well over 50 airline financial reports it is certainly understandable. At the recent meeting Mr Joyce held in Brisbane highlighted the great capital expenditure in the coming years. At this briefing the CEO also mentioned that Qantas and Jetstar are two separate companies that fund everything individually. You can imagine though the disappointment when CASA documents reveal that Qantas are the registered owners of the latest four Jetstar A320 aircraft (VGI, VGJ, VGO, VGP). Why do we continue to fund Jetstar’s fleet?

I fervently believe that despite what the accountants continually espouse, if we provide the passengers with the best experience possible, they will come in droves. The current thinking that Jetstar is our saviour is still unfounded, their dismal profit performance especially during the last 6 months combined with a depreciation of just $17 million, a total that leaves many financial analysts, university professors
and employees scratching their heads has to raise questions as to where this company is really heading. Just because an airline is full service, doesn’t mean it will not make a decent profit. Cathay Pacific is on target for a $1.6 billion profit, Emirates just made over $900 million for the half year and Singapore Airlines is also on track for a billion dollar profit. All full service carriers, all with the right aircraft and route structure to provide for the passenger need.

The accountants have also told us that we need to continue to cuts costs. This began many years ago and in my time has seen us being cut back to the bone. We have done so by pulling off routes (Paris, Rome, Chicago) and it seems their philosophy is that we can make money by cutting costs. The revenue opportunities are out there and instead of cutting costs we should be fighting for that revenue. The group’s selling and marketing expenditure was $572 million, yet I cannot remember any major Qantas advertising campaigns being run.

The reason I have flown on numerous airlines is because I could not fly on mainline – my preferred airline. On occasions I have flown in economy with Qantas because the flights were full. Whilst people groan and moan about having to fly economy, ours is certainly one of the best out there and I think we should be promoting it. Endless entertainment, relatively comfy seats (including the extra wide Airbus seats) and plenty of food and snacks, certainly puts us ahead of the game of the likes of Cathay and Thai. Moreover, I have it from a Cathay source that they are actually going to replace their economy seats because they are not comfy. I think we should be celebrating the fact that we are a full service carrier that is all inclusive. Although no marketing expert, I have even thought up a TV advert that pokes a bit of jovial fun at our low cost competitors by celebrating that fact that we are a full service carrier.

Qantas’s network used to circumnavigate the globe in both directions. Whilst I don’t see us returning to ports such as Acapulco or Bermuda, there are definitely plenty of opportunities out there available including,
1. Brisbane - Bangkok – Rome, Melbourne – Bangkok – Athens: Currently mainline code shares with Cathay Pacific on its Rome service. Both original Rome and Athens services always had good patronage but the aircraft were never the most fuel efficient. The service would be operated by A330-200 which has the range out of Bangkok with oxygen requirements are met by flying via the Gulf and the old Red 19 route. The flight would operate out of Melbourne 3 times a week and Brisbane 2 times a week. At present, mainline only has a presence in Bangkok via the QF 1. By having flights out of Melbourne and Brisbane we are providing our customers which a choice between Thai Airways and ourselves and also opens up a new Asian hub. This also has the added advantage of allowing passengers to complex in Bangkok and thus free up seats on the domestic network. It also allows 2 additional European destinations for our network.
2. Hong Kong – Beijing: For a while there we used to operate Sydney direct Beijing with Shanghai on alternating days, since then we have pulled out of Beijing all together to go daily Shanghai. Due to our revised complex network announced a few months ago we now have a 330 aircraft sitting idle on the tarmac in Hong Kong all day (due to arriving at 6am and departing just before midnight). As you know it costs the aircraft money to sit around all day. The idle aircraft could be operated to Beijing, sit there for a few hours then head back to Hong Kong in time to complex with not only the Perth or Brisbane service but the QF 128 also.
3. Sydney – Dubai – London: Just fewer than 1 million passengers passed through Dubai airport in the last financial year enroute to Australia and we have our biggest competitor with no competition against it. Instead of having a double daily Singapore – London we can have the QF 31 go via Dubai. Alternatively just have a daily service which could link up with 1 of 3 British Airways flights onto London.
4. Hobart – Sydney: Presently 6 flights per day across all carriers on this route yet only serviced once by mainline mid-morning. Hobart is the not only the capital but commercial hub of Tasmania and every time the Virgin Blue flight departs at 5pm for Sydney it is comprised mainly of business people.
5. Cairns – Darwin – Singapore: Change from Jetstar to mainline and remove one of the Qantaslink flights for reasons already described above.
6. Darwin – Bali: A market that seems to not be able to have enough capacity so much so that Air Asia have recently announced that will commence flying the route. Not all Bali passengers are in for a cheap holiday and this route could easily be serviced by mainline. Jetstar already have 10 services per week. 3 of these services could be returned to mainline or even seasonal. By complexing in Darwin, the flight could upload complexing Qantas passengers from Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne flights.
7. Cairns – Tokyo: Despite the Jetstar management spin, the Japanese do not fly low cost. It is not in their culture as demonstrated by the fact that there is not one low cost carrier who is or has successfully operated in and around Japan. Recent experience I had in August proved that mainline was the preferred choice of Japanese travellers given the fact the QF 21/22 was near capacity and both Jetstar flights to Australia were half empty. In the past this route was operated with an inappropriate aircraft and was doing well with the 330 until the route was gifted to Jetstar.
8. Brisbane/ Sydney – Cairns: Load factors are always high on both routes (82.7% exactly for both) especially on weekends. In the 2009/10 financial year on the Brisbane Cairns route, Qantas mainline had zero flight cancellations and the best OTP out of the competing airlines. Back in the old days the QF 69 used to operate Brisbane – Cairns – Tokyo. By having a 330 on this route it could do something similar by allowing more capacity whilst maintaining a good frequency. Consequently this allows a 737 to be freed up for additional flying.
9. London – Dublin: Classed as the 4th busiest air route within Europe and with an airport that handles close to 20 million passengers per year, this is a perfect route to utilise our aircraft on down time in London Heathrow. The airport is the largest in Ireland and can be used by Qantas passengers who don’t like the terminal transit at London Heathrow.
10. Cairns – Hong Kong: A route that was originally tried by Australian Airlines however closed down when the airline did. Since then Cathay Pacific has taken up the slack increasing its services from 5 per week to daily. This service could be used to supplement the Brisbane run on
alternate days and be used to provide additional patronage to the Beijing service.
11. Brisbane – Nadi: Currently Qantas does not operate any services to Fiji as these are done in association with Air Pacific. That being said despite the country’s troubles, it is seen as a family friendly destination as opposed to the budget traveller. Given the 737s are normally not working as hard on weekends this is an opportunity to have a weekend service similar to the service that we provide to Noumea.
12. Singapore – Hong Kong: Originally classed as one of our “rice bowl run” flights, the Singapore Airlines and Cathay fares between Singapore and Hong Kong are normally ridiculously priced and the route is ripe for a bit of competition. They, along with Tokyo are the financial hubs of the emerging market that is Asia and demand is always at a premium.
13. Shanghai – Europe: We already have a daily service to the business and cultural centre of China. This is another great potential stepping stone en-route to Europe.
14. The Honolulu hub: Many years ago Qantas used to make Honolulu a hub for its American operations because the 767 did not have the range and we did not have enough aircraft to serve the west coast directly. The 744 is currently too big for a daily service on routes such as Sydney- San Francisco or Brisbane – Los Angeles, thus I propose re-introduction of the Honolulu hub although this time using new Airbus 330s. We can still maintain our daily QF 107 and QF 93 out of east coast to Lax direct however in addition to these services we also have a flight departing Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne bound for Honolulu. Once they land, they can complex to different destinations such as Los Angeles, Vancouver, San Francisco, Chicago, New York or Dallas. The Honolulu routes are already in the flight planning system and when comparing a 747-400 versus a 330-200, the latter saves 100,000kg of fuel over the route per trip. Additional savings come from reduced crew requirements. The Brisbane passengers know that they always cop the oldest aircraft in the fleet and certainly are not happy about it. We can utilise new 330 aircraft with the latest entertainment which will certainly go a long way to appeasing the passengers. Moreover, it allows passengers to avoid the dreaded Los Angeles customs.
15. Rockhampton/ Mackay: These two regional Queensland centres have become Mecca’s with the growth in the mining boom. Both are serviced by Dash 8 aircraft but with the influx of funds is a possibility for a jet service from Brisbane morning and afternoon. No overnights are required as they both depart Brisbane early in order to pick up the passengers for an early arrival back that would enable morning meetings.
16. The Gold Coast: For reasons mentioned above. Gold Coast to Sydney at least 5 times a day, Gold Coast to Melbourne at least 4 times a day and a daily Gold Coast Perth service.
17. Defence force contracts: A few years ago no one had ever heard of Strategic airlines. They grew from nothing to become the primary civilian troop carrier. There must be some lucrative perks to operating such defence services as Strategic has built itself up to a 330/320 fleet. There was once a time when we ferried troops on our 767 aircraft via Singapore and Dubai. Given we now have spare capacity and pilots, this would be a perfect opportunity to fly our troops to and from the middle east.

Some of the above routes such as Brisbane to Fiji, Hong Kong – Beijing and Cairns – Darwin- Singapore can be utilised using current fleet by better fleet management. The additional use helps reduce costs
because it adds to the ASKs. Moreover, given the fact we have many pilots being paid to do little flying, from a flight operations point of view the costs are minimal. The remaining routes can be done using new aircraft, funded by the additional flying undertaken.

I mentioned earlier that for some reason we made the decision not to invest in the 777. Hindsight is a wonderful thing however at the moment the airline seems to be putting a lot of eggs in the 787 basket. The aircraft is years behind in its delivery date, the 767s continue to age and as such we have no real
plan except cross our fingers that the 767s can hold out. Airlines such as Emirates say that realistically the 787 is not for them and Emirates President Tim Clark actually has stated that the 777 and 380 will become the mainstay of their fleet. Given that the 787s are going to be given to Jetstar first, perhaps it is time we invested in the 777. It is already in service, has a proven track record when it comes to operational costs (including a 30% more efficient burn than the 744 for the same passenger load) and the aircraft can be fitted out with the same interior we presently have on our Airbus 380 fleet. The consolidated fleet of 737, 777, 330 and 380 provides a good mix of flexibility, range and allows us to shift growth as and when required. The 777 will allow us to open up new routes to Dallas, Sydney-New York and London – Perth; non-stop to Australia would be a big coup for the national carrier.

Qantas is at a crossroads, we are heading in an unknown direction with the employees fearing another Ansett type situation. As staff we get up every day and do our best to look after our customers. Many go above and beyond what is required and they do that because they care. Not only for the airline but genuine warmth is something that you cannot train into many foreign nationalities. All employees want to help to ensure not only that this airline succeeds but provides a future for themselves and a carrier for their nation. They do though want to know that their efforts will lead somewhere and it is up to the company executives to provide guidance on where we are going. Cathay’s staff motto is to be the most admired airline in the world. I think ours should be something like, Fly Qantas – because you deserve the best.

By engaging your staff the rewards will follow, Ralph Norris has adopted this approach at the Commonwealth Bank and they are reaping the rewards. Qantas management too has the ability to lead the way. If they look after their staff, then we will continue to help return this airline to being the pinnacle of world aviation.

I hope you take this correspondence in the spirit that it has been written in and I look forward to any feedback

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2011 01:47


We have a number of departments within Engineering where lost customer contracts have left our members with little work. Ditching contracts has not saved them money becasue the staff numbers are the same. How about we get those workforces busy again by picking up as much customer work as possible.
It was management who dumped those, wasn't it? Certainly the guys at this particular port were horrified, they liked having the international work and wanted as many contracts as possible. As you say, the staff numbers weren't decreased so all it appears to have done is help out Cathay Engineering's plans for world domination.

Out of interest, what was the thought process behind that strategy in the first place? Was there actually a plan?

As for the international business, I agree with assassin8. My rants about promised special meals that never arrived have been long and frequent :zzz: so I won't repeat them, but when many other international airlines flying into Australia charge the same or less for a basic FCC service and Qantas doesn't provide that service despite promising it, it's a pretty simple choice from a passenger's perspective.

Also, cheer up the check in staff. It's not everyone (some QF CS are absolutely lovely people, in and outside work) but the prevailing staff attitude every time I've checked in with QF international has been like something out of Bertolt Brecht's Fear and Misery in the Third Reich. It's a lousy start to a flight, particularly when your meal has been ballsed up (sorry, I'll stop now) and the cow behind the counter literally keeps filing her nails and refuses to make eye contact while breaking the happy news. :mad:

If the sub-sub contractors doing the same work for other airlines, who are badly trained and earn an absolute pittance for their split shifts can manage to smile, surely this lot can too!


The poster advised the reply consisted of a 3 LINE RESPONSE which said Clifford was satisfied with his Managements performance.:ugh:
At the end of the day Steve (and the rest of us), this sums up what will happen to any suggestions you make. They think they're doing an awesome job, it's just all those pesky staff and the rest of the known universe who think they suck. They probably consider that the falling share price is just further evidence that People Don't Understand Them.

sisemen 11th Jun 2011 02:10

I don't work for QANTAS, I'm merely a paying passenger. I've travelled Virgin and Jetstar (amongst others) on domestic routes but have come back to Q. Why?

1. Reputation for safety
2. Seat price includes everything (no forking out extra for muffins)
3. Goes where I want to go at the right times

Downsides?

1. Can, sometimes, be significantly more expensive which can be a tipping point.

2. Old, tired aircraft with limited in-flight entertainment (East to West coast and vice versa is a long flight - longer than some "international" flights)

3. A perception, recently, that the airline is on the skids. Doesn't do much good for customer confidence.

That's my tuppence worth. Next flight Friday. I'll let you know if anything changed. :\

ALAEA Fed Sec 11th Jun 2011 02:19

Great replies all, keep them coming. The more specific the better.


At the end of the day Steve (and the rest of us), this sums up what will happen to any suggestions you make. They think they're doing an awesome job, it's just all those pesky staff and the rest of the known universe who think they suck. They probably consider that the falling share price is just further evidence that People Don't Understand Them
They may want to ignore suggestions today but you never know what is around the corner. The owners may have a clean out and want a board who are interested in the place to take over. I have no doubt that 35,000 people want Qantas to do well, its just a few who are in it for the short term that are causing all the damage.

woollcott 11th Jun 2011 02:27

Where does one start?..........

Get rid of the many many teirs of management - once upon a time I had one manager - now I have 5

Get rid of the management nobodies. - take a look at the HR management map - we have "Head of People communications" and "People communication advisers" - can someone tell me what they actually do?

Get rid of consultants. Instead of paying for an opinion that is inverably wrong - listen to your staff. Consultants look on QF as a money spinner.

Get rid of the people who have never ever set foot in a Hangar, yet they try and tell me how to fix Aeroplanes.

Have one area of management talk to the other areas - perfect example: The last issue of Leading edge Magazine carried a full page advert about the benefits of taking leave - yet you cant get leave approved because of manning levels.

Make management accountable for all thier idiotic and stupid decisions. People just shake their heads at some of the absolute stupidity handed down by so called managment. It might save 100 dollars in the short term, but ends up costing 100000 in the long term. The bonus system is partly the culprit.

Have a manager that actually has experience in the field he is employed - not someone from another industry or someone fresh from a business degree

Do not take 22 months to settle a wage claim. And do not spend $150m to save $10m by fighting it

I could go on and on and on and on..........

And they wonder why morale is at an all time low.......

assasin8 11th Jun 2011 02:41

Steve, as I said, great thread... What we need to do, is make sure management READ this feedback.

I'm sure junior management make their way through these pages, but let's face it, they're probably down the food chain and will simply filter the information back to Big Brother, with something more palatable.

From one of the previous posters, spot on about the HR "people"... What is it they actually do?:confused:

Xcel 11th Jun 2011 02:43

How about makng the most recognized advertisement and possibly one of the top ten ads Australians can be proud of ring true...

The singing choir - been to cities that no longer are operated by Qantas... With "the spirit of Australia" flown by kiwis...

How about linking all companies as a true group/airline conglomerate. Seniority and progression from Regional to lcc to mainline.

How about providing a service!! You earn money from your customers, which in turn makes a profit for your shareholders. You do not make a profit for your shareholders and with the left overs provide an inadequate service.

How about investing in well researched and long term innovative products and services instaed of making decisions based on the highest kpi return or fringe benefit to said person making the decision.

There are millions of examles of the above and why they needto be rectified and you only need to take a flight and talk to real customers and frequent flyers to realise...

I for one always look at Qantas first when flying anywhere. Its only when I jump online and find that not only do they not fly that route anymore, but they don't have any premium products at all through codeshare and I am "forced" to fly lcc.

Ask anyone on the street honest opinions about any airline and everyone is known as the following:
tiger - always late, often cancelled.
Jetstar - bad service, cramped, want a full service
Qantas - don't fly where I want to go and forced elsewhere
virgin - oh their alright... (alright wins as there is no other choice)

unless you fly syd-Mel and even then it's not a happy experience

'holic 11th Jun 2011 02:45

Good idea for a thread, Steve.

Open and transparent accounting
All aspects of financial reporting between the various groups need to be completely seperate, not just where it suits management. That way we can identify exactly where efficiencies can be gained and which parts are indeed profitable. You can't fix the problem if you can't identify what it is.

Stop transferring work from mainline
Why is maintenance being sent o/s when we could utilise our own engineering. Why aren't 767 pilots who are being paid to do nothing used for the freighter flying? Stop the idiotic mindset that work is given to the lowest bidder, even if that bidder is an outside company and revenue leaves the group.

Aircraft allocations
Why are the first 787s being given to JQ Asia, who have been unprofitable, to be used on unproven new routes with low yield pax, when one of the major issues with mainline is the old aircraft it uses. To me, it seems patently obvious to use older aircraft for low yield, cost driven pax and use newer aircraft for the premium pax. Apparently the board doesn't agree.

Get rid of useless infrastructure and management
What does the PR department do apart from tell lies about the employees? Why do you need a whole department to think up the truth? How many different consulting groups do we need to advise us? What are the managers these consulting groups are advising actually doing?

Restore confidence

Staff ....
The only way management can ever expect to re-engage with the unions is to restore confidence that they are actually managing QF competently and that they are willing to act in good faith. Oh and stop lying to us, and stop lying to other people about us.

Passengers ....
Safety used to be a major strength of the brand. Because of poor management decisions we have seen a massive drop in confidence in the safety of the airline. As I've said elsewhere, our maintenance standards need to be a cut above everyone else because the media crucifies us whenever we have a tech issue, no matter how trivial.

The public ....
In recent times we have seen the Qantas brand name dragged through the mud due to the ill conceived strategies senior management have taken. The Jetconnect court case made them appear as though they were cooking the books, the Senate Inquiry made them appear evasive and misleading and the backflip over the Jetstar cadet basing made them appear as though they were avoiding Australian tax and employment laws. Qantas used to epitomise the meaning of excellence and integrity, now our management appear to the public to be a group of shady con men. How much damage have they done to Qantas?

Piano Man 11th Jun 2011 03:07

Out of curiousity, if QF went down the 777 route (we all wish), would they go 9 abreast economy seating ala BA, SQ, CX, or would they go the 10 abreast like EK, AF etc?

Redpanda 11th Jun 2011 03:10

Rename the executive management group with,

"The Center Of Excellence"

We all know they'll be outsouced in six months...................:ok:

The Green Goblin 11th Jun 2011 03:27


Out of curiousity, if QF went down the 777 route (we all wish), would they go 9 abreast economy seating ala BA, SQ, CX, or would they go the 10 abreast like EK, AF etc?
They can't go down the 777 route.

They'd be making so much money, their entire strategy of destroying Qantas because it's costs are too high would be unraveled.

The failure to buy 777s is irresponsible, destructive, negligent and incompetent.

Ter be sure, ter be sure :ugh:

Don't worry though, Bruce will get 'em for Jetstar to compete with SIA :mad:

ALAEA Fed Sec 11th Jun 2011 04:22

What about Exec salaries. Is any man worth more than a million a year?

CEO $1m
CFO $750k
and so on.

I don't buy this garbage about offering the best Exec wages to attract the best Executives. Look what we have attracted in the last 10 years. I think there has to be some limit to this excess. If we started at the above levels from the top down I am certain $50m per annum could be saved and I'm sure the management of the airline could only improve.

Short_Circuit 11th Jun 2011 04:36

Agreed. The pay of over $1M should be reserved for those digging minerals & bankers, the ones delivering Billions in profit to the shareholders, not short sighted money grubbers with no interest in the business they are running. :ugh:

Ultergra 11th Jun 2011 05:16

Why is it, when the CEO or board have their wages challenged, they compare their potential income based on NY or London... Yet when it comes to pilot wages, they compare it to asian countries or india?

Worrals in the wilds 11th Jun 2011 05:42

Cos they think the employees are Roolly Stoopid...otherwise wouldn't they become managers? :rolleyes:

Have a manager that actually has experience in the field he is employed - not someone from another industry or someone fresh from a business degree...
Or even get dangerously proactive with a program for experienced staff who want to be managers, where they can get company support (even if it's just study leave and access to company resources for projects) to study management 101 and then become managers who 1. have the business degree and 2. have the experience as well! Far more long term and practical than paying for all those blow ins who don't know one end of an aircraft from the other (apologies if Qantas already has this sort of thing? I've never heard it mentioned by anyone who works there...)


I have no doubt that 35,000 people want Qantas to do well,
Many, many more than that. It's not just Qantas employees who are concerned about this stuff.

Ngineer 11th Jun 2011 05:54

How about advertising. Plain and simple. Just take a look at Virgin's advertising campaign. No wonder we are failing (although I think it is deliberate). All we have had lately is bad press.

Since the orange people have taken over the reigns, they have been shoving jet* down every Australian's throat, and have neglected advertising the premium product. What ever happened to the Aussie choir singing the company's anthem??? The only add I have seen lately is a few seconds long with a piece of fruit on it! Who was the Einstein that composed that one???:ugh:

And how about listening to staff ideas. There is no conduit for idea's for this company. I can think of a few good ones, but won't be posting them on this thread.

Ngineer 11th Jun 2011 05:59

Oh, and staff engagement would probably go a long way.

The The 11th Jun 2011 07:00

Speaking of advertising. Thursdays Sydney Morning Herald for example. Page 3 or so, a 1/2 page ad for Jetstar. A few pages later, a FULL page ad for Jetstar, oh yeah and happy 7th birthday Jetstar!

Not a single Qantas ad in the whole paper!

Can't even remember the last time I saw a Qantas ad onTV?

Qantas does have a nice big billboard next to the airport, but by the time you get there, you have already bought your ticket - on a different airline!!!

BrissySparkyCoit 11th Jun 2011 07:20

Was going to say resume advertising but someone has beat me to it! Qantas simply DON'T advertise anymore. This fact is a clear indication that senior management have absolutely no intention of allowing Qantas to succeed.

hadagutfull 11th Jun 2011 07:38

Well this is just the sort of thread we need.... A chance for staff to show their real worth...

As for some think tank ideas for fixing this airline......

*We are paid X amount of dollars to work for 8 or 10 or 12 hours per day. We should be used for all of that time whether it be looking after Jetstar or any other other operator coming to this country.... there is a cash cow sitting there waiting to be exploited.

*Man all Qantas ports overseas with Qantas staff... also picking up customer contracts in those ports to justify/ cover the expense of having our own staff in low frequency ports. Seems to work for BA/CX/UA around the world.

*Stop feeding our customers to Jetstar... paint some A320,s in our colours and have them connect with our fights through SIN/BKK to service popular SE asian destinations. QF owns 49 percent of Jetstar asia, why are we pumping that airline??

*Build a heavy maint/ eng overhaul facility with grants from the government. This will provide job security and an influx of new recruits to the industry.

*Im not sure of the costs, but the 744 is not a bad aircraft ( running costs aside, and as a short term fleet issue) , but to please the punters a refresh of Y class with a bit more room and a good reliable IFE system will keep them coming back. This needs to be done quick till any fleet renewal options are looked at. Let them see and experience why they are paying extra to travel with Qantas!

*Employ inspirational leaders as managers.. people who are willing to look at any new opportunity with an open mind and embracing staff, not deriding them.

*Bonuses should not go to the managers... it should be distributed amongst all staff who contributed to the result, this would allow less wages claims at EBA time, and it would motivate staff to pull out all stops to achieve a positive result.

*A complete review of current route structures.... we have a very good Qantas GROUP network to asian ports, but its just hopeless from there with LHR/FRA as the only options. Lets take back our bread and butter from Jetstar and keep them out of europe.

**ADVERTISE!!! -- All i see is Jetstar, Emirates, SIA billboards and commercials. Start pushing the product here and abroard...

Open the airline up to the public.... so many people are fascinated with the airline industry, have more open days, aircraft inspections, sim visits, tarmac tours.. let people see what we all do and how we do it. At the moment it resembles a communist gulag... information censoring, lies, cooked books and mistrust.

These are off the top of my head and also based on what I hear from regular passengers... and I can say with out hesitation, most of the people who are forced on to jetstar are not happy about it.....

People are watching QF, they have always had a fascination with it as an iconic company.. and are wanting to support it.. but the management need to come up with something fresh, unique and AUSTRALIAN.

Anything we do to fix this airline will take a significant investment, but it will reap rewards. To do nothing will only end up in a disaster.

No one will win!
I know these are just ideas in these threads... but ideas are where genius starts.

BeerMan 11th Jun 2011 07:46

Steve,

Great post.

With regard to what we call QANTAS, it should be a "PREMIUM" airline, not LEGACY.

In line with this, and contrary to some posters who suggest we need to focus on cutting costs and reducing fares, we should be giving reasons for customers to justify paying that little bit more... by offering a premium product.

QANTAS has been far too reactive... they need to be on the front foot; innovate and lead the pack. Offer modern aircraft, superior service, meal of choice in business and first.

This requires a visionary leader... something QANTAS don't have. They need to look for somebody who can lead and motivate the frontline staff and somebody who understands the concept of being an industry leader!

Ngineer 11th Jun 2011 07:48


*Im not sure of the costs, but the 744 is not a bad aircraft ( running costs aside, and as a short term fleet issue) , but to please the punters a refresh of Y class with a bit more room and a good reliable IFE system will keep them coming back.
And maybe some guys to keep the IFE system running properly. I don't think the local managers have realised yet that it takes a couple of extra guys on shift to work on the system fleetwide. IFE can be a labor intensive system.

hadagutfull 11th Jun 2011 07:51

Ngineer.. I agree.

Will be interesting to see the stats on IFE reliability since our guys have been involved.

The Black Panther 11th Jun 2011 08:02

1.Proportion the advertising budget according to revenue contribution.

2.In XXX the domestic terminal is a sacred virgin. The labor excesses is just bull$hit yet management sit back and do nothing because some manager is getting a FAT BONUS due it domestic on time departure KPI. The lame less tarmac is coming Virgin use it so does Jetstuk we may as well embrace but still have enough rovers to keep on-time departure No1 in Australia. That's seems to be keeping our market share but the domestic need a rocket in there labor allocation. I see a 12 hour LAME with 3.5 allocated transits.....just bull$hit !! At the Int we are 70-80% allocated.

3. Customer contracts. PHUCKME Cancel redundancies and get rid of customer contracts = Dissolve revenues and keep costs. Any monkey with a desire of peanuts would surely work out out this decision is not that sharp. Which tosser in Sydney decided to get rid of the customers and keep the expenses. Use excess domestic labor and move them the international terminals to provide arms and legs for the customer contracts. There's plenty of INT boys with B777 and A340 approvals to act at licences while others provide arms and legs and yes you shiny ar$e sparkies may have to change a wheel now and then because SIA and MH don't use Rockwell so you won't have much to do.

That will do for now.

indamiddle 11th Jun 2011 08:20

from the lh cabin crew_
punters tired of tired old a/c....767, tv screens in the ceiling showing 1 program, each in different colours! .....747 ife so bad that pax would be happy to see anything on the screen!
pax are also ticked off being forced to fly jetstar.... to ool, bkk from mel etc. they are now choosing to fly thai and other (virgin) PREMIUM airlines.
flat beds in j/c, we are so far behind our competitors

from cc perspective_
we have so many managers but the only way to get a meeting with them is to waylay them at the coffee shop across the road and around the corner from QCC.
give us enough meals in premium and economy so that passengers get their choice from the menu.
handing out clause 11's (official warning) like confetti for trivial offences doesn't engender engagement. neither does 'summer school' for the csm and css' that management want to be rid of seem to be working, particularly when the shiny noses are running the courses.

my rant over.
must be hundreds of other issues i've not mentioned but time for a beer

Sunfish 11th Jun 2011 08:59

ALAEA Fed Sec = "Not Dead, just sleeping"

"Legacy" is something you have to look after but produces nothing and you cannot kill it off, so you let is die a natural death by starving it.

Hence "Legacy Aunt". Old person.


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