Have you seen GA wages in this century? 75k/year in a jet beats 50k/year getting flogged in some piston The 'Endorsement Cost" is actually real money (money you could invest in a nice safe ETF or LIC and be very pleased with in 20 or 30 years time), and as has been argued on Prune ad-nauseum over the years, a cost that should be born by the company and secured by Bonding an individual. No more, no less. Something 'Pilots' (I'll use that term nice and loosely for those that value themselves so lowly) with SJS seem to be blind to unfortunately. There are jobs out there paying far (far, FAR) better than this. Jobs that are both in GA, and a step up from GA (Regionals, Customs, RFDS, and yes, other jet operators), and they don't ask the employee to bear the operational expenses of running the business, i.e; training your staff. Keep your expectations low and you'll never be disappointed. |
Extrashot seems to have had a double hit of methadone here....
While you may not agree with what they pay, they have given plenty of turboprop guys their first crack at a jet which can be demoralizingly hard to achieve in this country. At least its better than the US RJ jockeys:{ |
Actually, what they are Paying is fair enough for the Aircraft type, the operation, etc. That is, before the 'mandatory' salary sacrifice is taken out and as a result you drop below the minimum Air Pilot award rates ( Minimum salary + turbojet addition to minimum + copilot instrument addition = early/mid $60's for this aircraft type, no? Why not just pay that for your F/O's then?).
What I don't find acceptable is People paying (or Companies charging, however you want to look at it), to get the job, thus for the first two years your take home pay becomes less than a City Bus driver (actually $75K probably is as well, good on the Bus Drivers). I understand that this was the industry norm a decade ago. To be principled about it meant you missed out. Now, through no shortage of hard work and invaluable time spent away from their families, Pilot reps around the country (Jetstar, Cobham, Virgin… just to name a few), have managed to make it largely a thing of the past. The trade off might be that in some companies you might start on a lower wage for a few years, but its ABOVE the minimum award rates. Then after all of that effort, that people would still be willing to Pay an enormous amount of good money for a pretty useless endorsement - with a company thats still not completely out of its start up phase - just so you can fly a jet...:ugh: That they pay above the McDonald-esque rates of the US Regionals is no justification. Well, not to me anyway. Cheers all. |
Hey, I have been searching for the answer for a few hours now, with no luck.
Could someone please let me know what the VA NZ Eba is on the 737 ? |
39 ANNUAL BASE SALARY
39.1 Pilots shall be paid in accordance with the following table: Level 2013 (Year1) 2014 (Year2) 2015 (Year3) Captain Level 1 $153,506 $161,181 $172,464 Captain Level 2 $161,318 $169,384 $181,241 Captain Level 3 $169,131 $177,588 $190,019 First Officer Level 1 $90,267 $94,780 $101,415 First Officer Level 2 $97,446 $102,318 $109,480 First Officer Level 3 $104,730 $109,967 $117,664 3% 5% 7% NZ$ http://vipa.asn.au/wp-content/upload...-CEA-FINAL.pdf |
Virgin 737 NZ - Do first year external FO's only get 65% of year 1 & Bonded?
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Originally Posted by atlas12
(Post 9506273)
Viewsonic, YES. I took this option, the pay is abysmal. I would suggest just paying the 30k upfront and being done with it as the company is very confused about the bonding arrangements.
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atlas 12.
If you are so unhappy I will swap jobs with you. Come and fly a clapped out C152 and I will fly your shiny jet. |
VA don't salary sacrifice any more.
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Time for an update of these all important stats I reckon, given the few EBA's recently voted down and the pilot-supply crisis (discuss that at length on other threads please, not here).
It won't be anywhere near the Chinese contract increases (or even Ryanair's) and I'd be surprised with anything other than the usual "CPI" adjustments, as Australian airlines still have their head in the sand with arogance. Anyway, handing-over... |
Australian airlines still have their head in the sand with arogance. If someone is prepared to do your job for less than you and at the minimum acceptable standard (not hard for a pilot) then there will be downward pressure on your wage. And that has been the reality for a long time now. Perhaps the trend will reverse due to the reduction in supply currently enveloping the industry but to suggest that a failure for rapid wage growth is due to 'airlines having their heads in the sand' is entirely myopic. |
Thanks for contributing to the data with your diatribe mate and thanks for supporting my contention with exactly what I was talking about with Ryanair & China. :D
I'm well versed on the economics & mechanisms at play, from both behind the yoke & behind the desk and need no lecture thanks from some apparent "manager" feeling the pinch due to cancelled services or no 457 approvals. The rest of the globe has realised the supply drought and yes, it has happened already and getting worse, not "is developing"... just take a look at all the cancelled services & "rescheduling" around Australia this week! Anyway, this is for another thread as I said. |
QANTAS
767 Captain - $227,760 737 F/O - $114,000 Longhaul Min Guarantee is 160 hours and 6 1/2 rosters per year. Add 27.5 hours for mandatory training. 1067.5 hours. Effective 1 Jul 18 Second Officer A380.............................. B744.............................. A330 1. 91.58/ $97.6K..............1. 91.58/ $97.6K.............. 1. 91.58/ $97.6K. 2a. 98.01/ $104.6K...........2a. 98.01/ $104.6K........... 2a. 98.01/ $104.6K 2b. 126.22/ $134.7K.........2b. 120.21/ $128.3K.......... 2b. 114.51/ 122.2K 3. 132.89/ $141.9K...........3. 126.56/ $135.1K........... 3. 120.47/ $128.6K Hourly rates go up 2-3% each year until year 12. Individual fleet divisors may change. A330 currently 160. A380 currently 180. Avg O/T per BP 50*...................................... 29.................................3 First Officer. Using Year 12 rate only as that’s what they’re all on. Using 160 min guarantee. Most divisors between 175- 185 A380.......................... B744.......................... A330. 215.18/ $229.7K.......... 204.93/ $218.8K......... 195.15/ $208.3K Average O/T 46*.............................. 23.............................. 3. Captain Divisor and notes as per F/O A380........................... B744............................ A330 326.07/ $348.1K........... 310.55/ $331.5K............ 295.76/ $315.7K Average o/t 45*............................... 25.................................3. * Note that the 380 o/t numbers will decrease dramatically when the 380 reverts to one LHR flight via SIN. Likely to be closer to 30. Virgin Australia VAI: New pay for A330/B777 as follows: Capt (+9.5% super) July 17 $272,986 ($298,919) July 18 $283,868 ($310,835) July 19 $291,674 ($319,383) FO (65% of Capt) July 17 $177,440 ($194,287) July 18 $184,513 ($202,042) July 19 $198,588 ($207,598) SO (53% of FO) July 17 $94,043 ($102,977) July 18 $97,792 ($107,082) July 19 $100,481 ($110,027) OT trigger at 75.25 hours per 28 day roster (at Capt $321/330/339hr, FO $209/215/221hr, SO $111/114/117 hr). Minimum credit guarantee of 5 hours for work on any day which includes paxing when in association with a flight duty pairing. Plus some other technicalities and adjustments. New base rates for B737: (super not included) Capt. July 2017 $227,904 July 2018 $233,023 July 2019 $239,440 FO Level 1 / 2 / 3 July 2017 $125,347/$136,742/$148,138 July 2018 $128,167/$139,819/$151,471 July 2019 $131,692/$143,664/$155,637 OT trigger at 68.25 hrs per 28 day RP. TIGER/JETSTAR A320 RATES 2014 TIGER CAPTAIN Base $171,000 + EFA $140 + Retention $10,000 Estimated Earnings; 577hrs $181,000 682hrs $195,700 787hrs $210,000 900hrs $226,220 JETSTAR CAPTAIN Base $163,418 + EFA $207.65 + Retention NIL Estimated Earnings; 577hrs $163,418 682hrs $163,418 787hrs $163,418 900hrs $186,882 TIGER FO Level 3 Base $114,570 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667 Estimated Earnings; 577hrs $121,237 682hrs $128,587 787hrs $135,937 900hrs $143,847 JETSTAR FO Level 3 Base $106,222 + EFA $134,97 + Retention NIL Estimated Earnings; 577hrs $106,222 682hrs $106,222 787hrs $106,222 900hrs $121,473 TIGER FO Level 2 Base $109,440 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667 Estimated Earnings; 577hrs $116,107 682hrs $123,457 787hrs $130,807 900hrs $138,717 JETSTAR FO Level 2 Base $98,051 + EFA $124.59 + Retention NIL Estimated Earnings; 577hrs $98,051 682hrs $98,051 787hrs $98,051 900hrs $112,129 TIGER FO Level 1 Base $94,050 + EFA $70 + Retention NIL Estimated Earnings; 577hrs $94,050 682hrs $101,400 787hrs $108,750 900hrs $116,660 JETSTAR FO Level 1 Base $89,880 + EFA $114.21 + Retention NIL Estimated Earnings; 577hrs $89,880 682hrs $89,880 787hrs $89,880 900hrs $102,785 Strategic A320 F/O - $113,000 Cobham B717 Captain - $158,500* B717 F/O - $85,250 up to $100,750 after year 5 BAe 146 Captain - $158,000* BAe 146 F/O - $85,250 up to $100,750 after year 5 DHC-8 Captain - $78,255 DHC-8 F/O - $46,940 Coastwatch DHC-8 Captain ~ 130,000 Coastwatch DHC-8 F/O ~ 78,000 Alliance F100 Captain - $122,675 F100 F/O - $82,819 F50 Captain ? F50 F/O ? Skywest/VARA A320 Captain - $165,000 A320 F/O - $107,250 F100 Captain - $128,848 F100 F/O - $83,751 F50 Captain - $97,244 F50 F/O - $63,209 Qantaslink Q400 Captain - $92,863 Q400 F/O - $60,361 Q300/Q200 Captain - $86,789 Q300/Q200 F/O - $56,466 RrrrrrrrrExxyyyyyy Base rates years 1-10 as of July 1 2016 F/O 54,000 - 66,000 Capt 89,000 - 109,000 +2.5% per year until 2018 "The new Aero-Duck" BAe32 Captain - $64,862 BAe32 F/O - $46,559 RFDS QLD - B200, PC12, C208 Line pilot - Tier 1 $93784 Tier 2 $104817 Skippers DHC-8 Captain -$89,168 DHC-8 F/O - $55,000* E120 Captain - $88,816 E120 F/O - $55,000* SA227 Captain - $70,855 SA227 F/O - $42,537 Brindabella (R.I.P.) J41 Captain - $69,000 J41 F/O - $46,000 Metro Captain - $57,000 Metro F/O - $38,000 Express Freighters Australia B737 Captain - $120,000 B737 F/O - $75,000 B767 Captain - $170,000 B767 F/O - $110,000 Pionair Airnorth E170 Captain - ? E170 F/O - 94,200 E120 Captain - ? E120 F/O - ? SA227 Captain - ? SA227 F/O - ? Skytrans DHC-8 Captain - ? DHC-8 F/O - ? Network F100 Captain - $140,000 F100 F/O - $85,000 E120 Captain - $85,000 E120 F/O - $55,000 Sharp Aviation Metro Cpt -? metro FO - ? Hardy's Metro Captain - $75,000 Metro F/O - $52,000 C441 Captain - $70,000 Careflight $122,000 + + JETGO ERJ135 Captain $122,000 plus allowances plus 10% Super FO $75,000 plus same Endorsement Salary sacrificed at around $35K over two years. VANZ (previously Pac Blue) Captain Level 1 $176,776 Captain Level 2 $185,772 Captain Level 3 $194,765 First Officer Level 1 $103,950 First Officer Level 2 $112,217 First Officer Level 3 $120,606 Air EnZid (NZD) B737-300 CA $142,800 FO $96,200 A320 CA $169,800 FO $110,100 B767 CA $185,800 FO $120,400 SO $96,200 B787 CA $203,100 FO $131,600 SO $96,200 B77-200ER CA $219,200 FO $142,100 B777-300ER CA $236,800 FO $153,500 SO $96,200 B747 CA $240,700 FO $156,000 SO $96,200 JitConnict (NZD) B737 CA $160,600 FO $ 91,900 Jitstar NZ (NZD) A320 CA $170,000 FO $ 93,000 "Air No Got" (thanks NCD) Salary and tax rates are in PGK (KINA) but paid in $AUD at the exchange rate of the day. All these figures are in $AUD having been converted at an indicative exchange rate of .40c SALARY DH8 Captain $110,295 First Officer $47,063 400 Captain $122,088 First Officer $74,949 F100 Captain $143,958 First Officer $99,955 737 Captain $163,544 First Officer $107,746 767 Captain $174,135 First Officer $127,072 SUPERANNUATION Nil TAX PNG Kina Tax figure converted to $AUD at .40c. Tax on $28,000 is $8,564 then 40% on every dollar over $28,000 up to $99,999. Tax on $100, 000 is $37,364 and the 42% on every dollar over $100,00. Eg: 737 Captain will GROSS $163, 544, pay TAX of $64, 052 and NET $99,492 ($AUD8,291 / $USD6,316 per mth) without any super paid by the Company. To put the salary into perspective: Using the figures quoted at Post 213 and the online ATO tax calculator, the ERJ 135 Captain will net $AUD 88,913 and receive $12,000 in super, a total package to $100,913 ($1,421 pa more than the PX B737 Captain). Thanks for your updates and PM's, people :ok: Happy Landings |
Rex Captains on 89k - 109k and FO's are 54k - 66k, spread through years 1 to 10.
Easy to make 150-200k with overtime at the moment. |
Does anyone have the Qantas info?
They don’t have 767s anymore and I’d suggest that those 737 figures are massively underestimating that everyone I know is complaining about being over worked but no one doesn’t like the pay. 114k? I’m happy to be corrected |
Some of those figures are just plain wrong. May I suggest that before posting, you check the numbers with the FWC website, Chocks Away.
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Aussie FO,
Yeah those numbers are certainly off the mark but it's hard to give an apples to apples comparison figure as the 737 minimum guaranteed hours are so low compared to actual hours flown. However, with an EBA coming up later this year I think it may be best if people don't start talking up the pay figures they are on as it may be used against us down the track. Just my opinion. |
Which ones C'Bloggs? Tell us.
Many are old figures Bloggs I know but I'm just going off all the data I'm sent and what people are putting up here... it's a constantly evolving template which stagnated for awhile. Don't shoot the messenger. Yep Beer Baron noted. Just base rates planned to be here only, not "guaranteed hours" or Cinderella stories used to attract crew. We know Overtime is always available and even more so now and in the future, IF you want it. It's a sounding board to educate others on their place in the market especially when negotiations are due with this supply shortfall, plus a useful tool to crunch the numbers with before taking a job offer or otherwise. |
Wow Strategic pay well! I think I’ll apply there...
How old are these numbers?! LOL! |
Don't shoot the messenger. Sciolists come to mind... |
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