Australian Airline wages compilation
 

Continuation from VB Pilot Recruitment thread-

Maybe a good idea to have a thread where the base salaries (therefore not the average "remuneration package" and hopefully avoiding any potential legal issues surrounding publicly available information) are collated into the one thread. This information would be hugely valuable to those contemplating a change of employer or indeed for the benefit of those having to negotiate fairer agreements.

If any of these figures are incorrect please let us know! Also would be great to find out either anonymously or through a post those with agreements that arent on FWA website

1st Year Base Salary Rates-

QANTAS

767 Captain - $227,760


737 F/O - $114,000

Virgin Blue
A330 Captain - $193,000
A330 F/O - $126,000

737 Captain - $190,334
737 F/O - $104,684

E-jet Captain - $152,267
E-jet F/O - $83,747

V Australia
B777 Captain - $207,934
B777 F/O - $120,924
B777 S/O - $61,285

Jetstar
A330 Captain - $180,871
A330 F/O - $99,480

A320 Captain - $158,659
A320 F/O- $87,626

Tiger
A320 Captain - $122,120
A320 F/O - $81,800

Strategic
A330 Captain
A330 F/O

A320 Captain
A320 F/O - $113,000

Cobham
B717 Captain - $144,000
B717 F/O - $78,288

BAe 146 Captain - $144,000
BAe 146 F/O - $78,288

DHC-8 Captain - $78,255
DHC-8 F/O - $46,940

Coastwatch DHC-8 Captain - $109,902
Coastwatch DHC-8 F/O - $65,941


Alliance
F100 Captain - $122,675
F100 F/O - $82,819

F50 Captain
F50 F/O

Skywest
A320 Captain - $165,000
A320 F/O - $107,250

F100 Captain - $128,848
F100 F/O - $83,751

F50 Captain - $97,244
F50 F/O - $63,209

Qantaslink
Q400 Captain - $92,863
Q400 F/O - $60,361

Q300/Q200 Captain - $86,789
Q300/Q200 F/O - $56,466

Regional Express
SF340 Captain - $76,322
SF340 F/O - $46,337

Aeropelican
BAe32 Captain - $64,862
BAe32 F/O - $46,559

RFDS QLD
B200, PC12, C208 Line pilot - Tier 1 $93784 Tier 2 $104817

Skippers
DHC-8 Captain -$89,168
DHC-8 F/O - $50,253

E120 Captain - $88,816
E120 F/O - $50,253

SA227 Captain - $70,855
SA227 F/O - $42,537

Brindabella
J41 Captain - $69,000
J41 F/O - $46,000

Metro Captain - $57,000
Metro F/O - $38,000

Express Freighters Australia
B737 Captain - $120,000
B737 F/O - $75,000

B767 Captain - $170,000
B767 F/O - $110,000

Air North
E170 Captain -
E170 F/O -

E120 Captain -
E120 F/O -

SA227 Captain -
SA227 F/O -

Skytrans
DHC-8 Captain -
DHC-8 F/O -

Network
F100 Captain - $140,000
F100 F/O - $85,000

E120 Captain - $85,000
E120 F/O - $55,000

Hardy Aviation
Metro Captain - $75,000
Metro F/O - $52,000

C441 Captain - $70,000


I will endeavor to update this 'front' post.

Alliance figures from 4- 5 years ago, FO $65000 and Captain $105000.

Might want to add Skywest ATR72 to the list.

Strategic 320 F/O - 113

Where are QF mainline figures? I figure it is a 'main' rpt operator.

Oh yeah, thats right!:} that salary is dead in the water and not worth adding to the list. In 3-5 years no-one will be earning that anyway.

Lets put in Emirates as it will be the other 'main' rpt operator in oz.

And lets be fair, apples to apples and all that.

Lets compare 'packages'. After all, the girls are only interested in our 'packages'......:ok:

That is a BIG thumb!

Don't those V Australia salaries include superannuation?

Virgin Tech B1 Lame - single rating.

$136,000 p.a. no shift penalties or further payments

6 weeks leave

+ super + staff travel

Not sure as to the accuracy of these figures. Cobham 717 and 146 Captain are $144,000 until June 2011 Not $105,000.

I like the concept, however apples to apples is important.
As a suggestion to the thread starter, what do you think about breaking the table down into half a dozen columns of the most important issues, such as
Base salary without super
Level at which "overtime" cuts in and the hourly rate
Callout allowance if work on RDO as examples.

V Australia "offer" does include super and 3% 1st July rise. Equates to only a $5000 rise on current salary.

I would like to have columns but I only have so many hours in the day! I removed V Aus as the offer is for current employees only and none of it is in concrete so its outside the criteria.

The basis of the numbers is:

EBA document
1st year (so/fo/capt)
No super
June 11 there abouts.

It started as an apples with apples comparison for a wanabee on another thread. Anyway this is Chadzats baby I can only amend my post not the top one.

Skynews would that be for a first year captain?

It's not my baby, I just provided a few numbers.

Pay your AFAP membership fees and you will have access to all these EBAS.

Conditions are much more than the raw dollar figure. The small print in the EBAs determine your quality of life.

I'd also suggest with flying pay, tigers salaries are higher than posted. they are certainly better than onestar.

I think it's best to stick to base figures, as each persons personal choices such as working on day's off, number of overnights will change depending on bases and bids etc. Some are happy to work on days off and are chasing the money, while others want to be home. Some (in the case of DJ) bid for multi-day trip, while others bid for day trips. If it's kept at base figures then it's apples with apples. The base figures are fixed whereas the extra’s such as flight pay, overnight allowances, overtime are all variable and are subject to change by the individual or company (rostering etc).

I think one of the purposes of this thread is to compare wages between the airlines (and large GA companies) operating similar size aircraft and I think already we have seen some big differences and in some cases some very low wages for the size of the aircraft. It’s not about who took home the most.

GG,

Not all EBA's or the full EBA is available via the AFAP, Network for example has the EBA, but the pay figures have been removed.

Thanks to those that have replied with updated figures.

Mr Hat- I hope Im not stealing your thunder here, its no-ones baby really, I just thought it might be a good idea to see all the baseline salaries in our industry at the moment in one post.

Skynews- Excellent idea. I'll see how the thread goes for a few days and if we can fill all the current salary gaps, then the main "features" of each agreement will probably be added to that the reader can work out a representative total package.

stainedpantystealer- I seem to recall from another thread it can get dangerous when actual total packages are posted on here, in particular it might have been a divorce settlement where the figures could be used as evidence against a pilot. I might be completely off the track with that one though.

As i said, it is very much apples with apples at the moment in terms of this is the MINIMUM salary you could be paid over 12 months.

Original post updated.

What about retention bonus? That's guaranteed if you stayed on at J* 6% p.a.

As Chadzat says its not anyones 'baby' and the idea is those with the info can copy the latest then update hopefully keeping the formatting for easy reading. The idea being that eventually all the gaps will be filled giving an apples with apples comparison for those that are interested. If you have figures chuck em in. I think for simplicity if overseas companies are to be included just put it in local currency.

As I've said and GG reiterated conditions are much more than base salary.

In my last updated post I also provided the link to the document where the info was sourced (FWA) that is freely available to all members of the public.

stainedpantystealer, under the Vb one I added a few small extras which give an idea of the whole package. I think it important to keep it as accurate, minimalist and easy to read as possible. Its not a mines bigger than yours or a 'they are bastards' thread. Just facts.

Also if someone can provide a reasonably accurate base salary for Qantas mainline ops, please do. Its my understanding from reading the EBA that an "outsider" trying to work out a rough salary has no hope as things such as hours and allowances make up a large proportion of what is earned. Hence the reason why I havent put up the QF fleets.

Perhaps a better way of presenting the information is as a range, ie
65/80/95 stick hours per months. This gives a more realistic comparison of income.

This is quite easy to set up in a google doc spreadsheet with open read only access. Things such as retention bonus & super could also be included.

If there is enough demand for it, I'll publish all these on a website I'm setting up.

I was thinking about doing something like this already, so would be a welcome addition.

Thoughts?

Wannabe, that would be great, we all contribute in the ways that we can around here. Do you have all the EBA's? It would be ideal to include the 2010 Air Pilots award as the base figures.

Good idea wanna be.
What an excellent and enlightening post.

Would love to see a number of hours flown per annum versus pay comparison!:ok:

A good place to start is FWA search
Choose Advance search, put pilot in the tittle & use "Airline Operations" in the industry pull down menu. I get 96 agreements there.

Just searching on "Airline Operations" gives 729+ agreements and an error. So the search can be refined a little more with company names or states etc.

Great idea breakfastburrito and wannabe. Any refinements/additions to the compilation would be fantastic!

I think it would be a great idea to have the 60/70/80 hour per month comparison. That way the productivity and other bonuses can be turned into an easy to read figure for each.

Does anyone with a more legal mind or even the mods have anything to add in terms of whether we are wading into dangerous territory by providing figures that are very close to the mark of what guys are taking home in their pay packet?

Would be a good final year uni project.

Chadzat, I can't see there would be a problem given that the information are public documents. You would be surprised at the hidden information that is out there in obscure formats, just waiting to be compiled and made user friendly.

As an example, companies are required to provide their share holder details on request. One tactic is to make it available as a series of "image" files at can't be easily read by OCR, so the details must be manually re-entered into a database before any analysis can be performed. The Federal Reserve Bank in the US did this just last week as part of a FOI request on their "Discount Window" lending during the height of the GFC.

It's called "hiding in plain sight".

Qantas Long Haul

Understand it is a tad complex - due to allowances etc etc.

But say if a pilot is on an hourly rate of "x" what typically would their annual salary be or what would be the salary range ? Just put it in terms of "x" if you like ?

What would the mininum me in the event of little flying taking place - such as the 380 recently and 330 a couple of years back ?

The website is a great idea but will take a bit of time. In the meantime if others with the data/info can update the missing figures it will provide a current snapshot.

There needs to be a date next to the salaries presented to show when it was in effect.

Disregard; skywest are correct, my error in reading 2010/11 as 2011.

If you'd care to point out which ones are incorrect and then post a correct salary that would be appreciated 43 Inches. It takes a lot of effort to go through the FWA website for each EBA document. The figures already posted are either correct as from an EBA document or have been given by other posters as the most recently available info.

Also I believe those Skywest salaries are indeed correct as of July 2010, as they were had directly from their EBA.

Agree with Chadzat re Skywest pay.

From their EBA for 2010/11 F100 first year Captain $128848, FO $83751, A320 Capt $165000 FO $107250 and F50 Capt $97244 and FO $63209.

I have also have heard from a few contacts the ATR72 pay will be 5% on top of the F50.

From the 2010 Skippers EBA

Dash 8 Capt $89,168 FO $50,253
E120 Capt $88,816 FO $50,253
Metro Capt $70,855 FO $42,537

The Capt figures include a productivity Bonus as detailed below.

A3 Productivity Bonus
The Productivity Bonus payment is an addition to the base salary paid. It is
employee specific and payable at the sole discretion of the company. The
bonus payment is inclusive of all amounts applicable to any non-management
administration duties that may be assigned by the Company. 28 days notice
will be given to an employee should the productivity bonus be removed or
reduced. Reasons for same and conditions of reinstatement will be given to
employee in writing

Would be good to see the comparison to QF wages also..

But I guess we won't get that figure, cause their too busy counting it.. :}

To find out about all airlines pay in general go here:

Pilot Jobs Network - for students of pilot schools and experienced airline pilots

Find the country your interested in and then click the "All factfiles" link below that countries name

you will then be taken to a list of airlines/charter/ etc etc.

you can read the details and there will be a date so you can see if its old info. And if you are in an airline (lucky or unlucky) then you can update the info!

:ok:

Great thread guys.

Sobering to think though that in a 3rd world country just north of Australia they are paying captains of a certain 19 seat aircraft a base of $110,000 AUD to work tours of 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off.

CX
 

CX year 4 f/0 a330 = 180k pa

mate who is a 6yr f/o = 204pa (plus O/T)

QF 737 FO $165/hr min guarantee 696hrs/yr =@114k+super+Allowances additional hours paid $165

At the moment only about 5-10 additional hours per month

QF 767 Captain: $219 per hour. Pay of 1040 per annum. Super is either 10% of 1060 or 17% of 878.

Plus allowances, plus training credits of about 27.5 hours per year. Someone else can work out the gross. As pointyend likes to point out, I'm too busy counting it. :rolleyes: :ugh: :=

How much tax comes out of the Keg?

G'day Haughtney, without any tax deductions, about $90K per annum.

Right there is your answer to the offshore/inshore conundrum.
Lets take a conservative average of say 65K for ~2300 pilots =$149,500,000 tax bill for pilots alone. Nice little boost to profits $150M++. High fives & bonuses all around! The pilot still gets the same in the hand.

Its not the pilots that are uncompetitive, its the unsustainable tax welfare redistribute system. Will the Federal government sit back and allow it to happen?

Not only will they allow it, they will be complicit.

After Joyce has so earnestly supported the Carbon Tax he will be looking for a little quid pro quo.