I had been a member of FAAA since day 1
anyways that's besides the point, I do not keep calling FAAA every time like some members who want their full $24 worth each week. I figured I only call if it was really serious.

Anyways, since you concede dobbing is a culture in cabin crew, is there any wonder one gets cynical when crew here say things like,"oh crew help crew" "oh, if we can stop a crew from CR be it QCCA, MAM, AKL or QAL or whatever, then we can hail Mary 5 times" "oh even though I am senior but I do not wish to see a MAM casual go, cos all crew are crew" "oh we crew should all unite as one"

What a load of crock **** from MacDonald's farm!

In my short time as a crew in Qantas all I can see is crew hates crew, crew ganging up on crews, crew lies, crew dobbing crew, crew stepping all over crew, crew brown nosing, crew cannot wait to get ahead, crew cannot wait to be the bright shining star etc.

there are about 6000 crew .....not all are dobbers....not all are members....not all are drunks, thieves, whores , addicts or mentally ill

but we have all of the above.... we are likely any small town of 6000 not everyone is an asshole and the vast majority are thoroughly decent.

So trying to save others jobs is not unusual.... its actually normal....the ones that dont care are in that minority

you know as one of the last 'bidders' in longhaul, this really sucks. More senior beehives coming over, just pushes us down even more. We were finally getting something but JNB and now we will be back to it. I realise the FAAA is in it for everyone, but would have liked the Longhaul FAAA to do something to look after the juniors before letting the beehives come in, just as the beehives stopped us from getting 'bands payments' by going to their division.But then again, I guess most of the FAAA are senior...:mad:

personally Pegasus I think you underestimate how many ambitious crews there are. That's all I will say.



Ambitious does not mean with merit or even intelligent.

cart elevator, let's face it, the number of juniors in QAL pales to the number of seniors, this said, you know the answer. One time, I even heard a senior crew told me that because they had been paying fees for so long, their needs should be served first by FAAA, with attitude like that, it's no wonder the seniors simply alienate themselves.

Heads Down
You need to let go of that incident or go back to your Team Manager and discuss how 'intimidated' you feel. I have worked closely with Team Managers over the past year and find them to actually be on 'our' side most of the time. In fact I think they are doing pretty damn well at the moment not telling all the whining SH crew who 'don't think they should have to take leave just to save some casual/juniors job' to get a life as they wait to see if they have indefinite holidays (ie- they still haven't heard if their jobs are safe). If you are having issues with one- go and speak to another as step one.

In response to all the crud about Short Haul taking all "OUR" flying.....no division owns any flying. The company has the right to choose routes and who flys them. Simple.

Many routes will be taken from short haul in this tripartite agreement.

SH are now being directed to take LSL and AL even though our EBA states we cannot be directed LSL.(Facilitive agreement outside EBA has overridden this clause).

The only reason SH are being offered the A380 is that the company cannot recruit QCCA's at present.

LH SIGNED THE EBA THAT ALLOWED QCCA TO FLY THE A380.

Who is This Guy?
 

Somebody is not a happy camper.Somebody has stolen a couple of his sandwiches.So he is two sandwiches short of his picnic.Every post is negative and revolves around him .Talk about self absorbed.
Give us all a break.Try to find something positive to say that doesnt involve you

Hey Carty
 

The beehives are going to the A380.There isnt any bidding for them there

Confucius did say, people only remember bad experiences and forget happy experiences.

I think it ia a combination of few things:

1. I would never have done something like that, I never go behind crews and talk about them to management, when I knock off from work, I knock off, simple as that.
So imagine my shock.

2. I expected team managers to use common sense.


3. I set high standards for myself and even higher standards for managers. If you are in a position to manage me, I have every right to expect you to be better than me in every aspect, people skills, common sense, knowledge etc, has to be above and better than me. Otherwise, you should just step down and let someone else do the job.

4. Elephants never forget.

well if everyone was so happy like you, there would not be so many divorces now would there?

If every one was so positive, than the war in middle east would have ended yonks ago now , wouldn't it?

If people weren't self absorb I wonder why every year there's a miss world competition.

and for the record, I was talking about team managers, dobbing crews, qantas as a caring employer, Union achievements (we have not had enough of that) so I think you have poor comprehension skills.

.....heads down........stay down
 

Hey Heads Down.

Are you shacking up with Twiggs -cause from what you write/post it looks like you are both toking on the same Billie!

Get over it mate!

Crew aren't all that bad.....even the Bee hives.

Sure there are a few low life's out there lurking in the shadows -....but you show me any workplace that does not have them.

Best advice that I ever got was from Matt Kennedy on a 7 day slip in Belgrade after he consumed a bottle of Russia's finest.

"KEEP YOUR F---K-N HEAD DOWN, STAY OUT OF THE OFFICE AND KEEP SMILING.......THIS IS THE BEST JOB IN THE WORLD !";)

Heads Down
Look at the Grievance Procedures in your EBA. You can take steps if you feel hard done by. Posting it all here is not going to do anything to improve your situation.

Yes. The SH crew who are taking up a 'fixed term' contract will be operating on the A380 by December 09. With no seniority.

Again we need to look at the bigger picture. If it means WE all keep our jobs- then it has to be a positive in the long run.

Heads Up Yours
 

There is no "I" in team.
As someone correctly pointed out you are fixated on yourself.
Get a life.
Get a dog.
Get something but just get off PPrune.
God Lord who did you annoy before you discovered this forum?

and for the last of the junior bidders this deal actually helps you. if the QCCA crew are sent to A380 you will have nobody below you.

By sending SH crew to A380 and leaving the QCCA crew in LH it will actually help your bidding and at the same time please the QCCA CREW . WIN/WIN

its amusing reading your replies pegasus..... what's even more amazing is reading the garbage that comes from Heads off!

keep up the information Pegasus.... I find it invaluable...."at times"

With the regionals still recruiting why is there no secondment to regionals allieviate the current oversupply at mainline? Alliance are contracting to QLink out of Bris with Alliance F/A's wearing QANTAS uniforms. Why is this not being done with 737's if mainline work is slowing down.

Absolutely priceless stubby and the advice you got from Matt Kennedy is spot on but there are a lot of crew who look at QCC1 as a career enhancement center and spend more time there than at home or away.

From memory heads_down said he/she used to work in QCC1.If thats the case remember the old saying the walls have ears and the office likes to know what everyone is saying when they are away.If you understand where Pegasus works and finds it neccessary to post as does his support team here so too does the office and you don't have to look too far to see who they are.

Assumptions
 

You make a lot of assumptions there JJ.
Peg has never been pro management but more pragamatic.
It is well known a lot of CC from the lunatic fringe reside in Melbourne.

Well,we could argue that one for days but I thought it was clear from my post that I was not referring to peg as one of the plants from the office.

I did say that peg and the others in the union had a support team which posts here but I did not say they were clever.:ugh:

as i said
 

just got back from a little trip and the troops dont seem to be too happy about this deal by the FAAA.
here is the consensus what the crew made of this deal

it appears the whole deal was set so the behives dont come to LH (otherwise they will be instantly sent to 20 years LSL/AL lol), that leaves some S/H to join l/h. the real deal is in that the young boys/girls (QCD) to cross on fixed term straight to the A380.
Senior Management WANT Young faces (regardless of expirience) for the A380 and the FAAA LH goes along with it. they do not give a toss about senior crews !!!
Why would they have not poshed for current LH crew to get all slots on the upcoming A380??????????????????.there is a surplus!!!! ?????
Management does not want that!!!
Once the flying picks up again in a couple of years QCCA will again be employed therfore pushing senior crew into regional or as managment would like it, take redundancy or just go.
such a transparent strategy but it seems the 3 amigos dont get it!!
Its all QF's way.
You could have sent QCCA to do domestic flying??:oh:
Who wants the domestic flying anyway????????????:yuk:

the other major ongoing issue is of course clause 11. there is a need to root out this systemic approach by the company. once again the FAAA LH fails its members(not my words but general feeling amongst the troops).
A ranting from a mixed senority crew:E

I understand that current LH crew including QCCA are able to apply to the A380 first.
The remaining numbers will then be filled by fixed term from SH.

It is open to all crew. Yes the senior F/A's have been told they will have to take all LSL and AL if they take the 'fixed term' however they know they will be directed to take it at SH as well. Why not go to LH and get it paid at a higher rate?

QCD are all Perth based. I would think as Perth base is short staffed they will not be chosen to take the fixed term. The company has the right to choose from all applicants according to operational requirements.

As for all the thought that we are only saving QCCA or Casual's jobs. Global seniority includes these two groups. If is comes down to last on first off these groups will not be the first to go. Some MAM casuals are up to seven years service. (Lets spare a thought for that group at the moment. Seven years service with no staff travel, no seniority, limited choice in days off etc...... and now trying to live on 40hrs pay a month).

We all have a voice and I believe there are avenues to get our 'good ideas' across to either the company or the Union. So anyone with some solutions to keep us all working under our current conditions whilst making it viable for the company, put it out there. (The back galley is not going to get it heard from anyone who can make a change).