SKYAIRWORLD: Management to take "Leave?
 

Rumour has it that the CEO of SAW is about to close shop tomorrow and it is suspected that he may be trying to set up shop overseas with some of his chosen few.

If the rumour is true he would be leaving behind huge debts owed to all employees and various companies.

I wonder if ASIC will be able do something about it if the rumour is proven to be true!

Meanwhile SAW are still trading and if you have a spare $1000 you can still buy a ticket to the COCO's Islands on the SAW website.

How many times have we all seen start up operations like this turn bad when the purse is empty and as we all know it's the employees who will suffer the incompatence of the few at the top.
While the 190 was in POM as part of its delivery flight (I believe) I was introduced to the CEO of SAW and I must admit I checked to see if my wedding ring was still on my finger after the hand shake as he does come across as a bit of shall we say "Used Car Salesman".
Anyway out of the half a dozen or so crew I have meet from SAW while they have been conducting the Pixie services they have all been decent blokes and I hope that they fall on their feet as things go from bad to worse.

Splat, you shake hands with your left hand????:}

Splat, the staff do suffer through loss of income and the major upheaval of relocating etc. Then there are the small unsecured creditors who get taken down as well. The senior managers have usually skimmed enough off in prior inflated earnings not to suffer at all.
Amazingly, despite the history of failed start-ups, there is always someone willing to pour millions into aviation ventures. Somehow these guys got rich, but you have to wonder whether too much money gives them a sudden urge to blow it all. Are they satisfying some childhood fantasy? Beats me why they hand over such huge amounts of loot.
Watch this space. Some of the SAW senior management will reinvent themselves, dream up a new way to turn millions into red ink and pop up elsewhere. It's a pity that libel laws don't allow us to publish a 'name and shame' list to warn other would-be investors off.

previous poster is very correct,

owning an airline is a very galmorous investment,
you would be surprised by the number of projects just in Australia in the pipeline,
if you have a mate in C*S* canberra,they can tell you of the amount of
enquiries they get from cashed up millionaires,about the easy/fast way to
get flying.
some do manage by indirect means,and within some time end up closing.

as most ex senior managers of dead airlines are usually young,they end up rehashed by mateship again somewhere else.

look at world aviation since the last 3 decades,and the same people show up
again in onother part of the world.

his applies to

directors,
managers,
admin staff,
traffic staff,
flt ops staff,
tech crews,
cabin crews,
engineers,
ground handlers, etc...

no one can stop dead wood being reused,because most deals are usually done in pubs or barbie parties.

fyi ...
 

fyi.

Australia's SkyAirWorld temporarily suspends operations

how sad for all concerned.

rup said

I do have the odd one or two and knowing them (as professionals) and knowing the statutory responsibilities of the organisation all I can say is you are talking bovine manure.:=

Thread wrecker
 

It seems to me that based on the BS RUP has posted recently he might have an agenda to see to it that any thread relating to SAW is stopped by the mods through thread hijacking/ irrelevant ramblings. Are the SAW management worried about what people say on here?:uhoh: or is RUP really just the king of sarcasm :confused:

Lowlite

Easy solution. Just don't engage the ramblings.

The last SAW thread was interesting until the dribble commenced. Hopefully this thread will be somewhat more informative and factual.

So what went wrong-sense of deja vu
 

Ok fair enough,its all BS,

"Hopefully this thread will be somewhat more informative and factual"

So Skyairworld suspends all flying....

Another skeleton in australian aviation history.

Can someone do a detailed analysis of what transpired for them to come to this position,

members with different aviation experiences should input in,
i am sure there are some pretty smart guys out there who would
would contribute serious stuff.


Flight Operations,
Tech Crew,
Engineering,
Cabin Crew,
Passenger Service,
Cargo,
Airline management,
Ground Handling,
Airline Finance,
Airport Operators,
Travel Industry,

and may be IT people.

Can't comment factually as i don't work there anymore.
By the looks of it there's some 'former' SAW people here already.
I left late last year, not rocket science to work out who i am but i won't say my real name on a public forum.

Why does the website say they're looking for B737 techies?

No Super Payments
 

737 are for a Danish contract that they have not got i.e Air Amsterdam have won.
Warning to all ex and current check your super contributions, they have not been paid since last October including salary sacrifice. No salary, No redundancy and now no super!
Is it true one of the Directors is off to Dubai?
Good luck to all that have stayed enjoy your shredding.

You have had SAW I, now for the sequel SAW II. The producers of this sequel will be the same as the first, so I presume the same b**ls**t script and bad management will prevail. And like the first offering it will die when it hits the screens. But that is showbiz and it is only for the big boys who know how to write good scripts and manage all the actors well.

To all you good guys from Sky, the very best to you all, it was a pleasure while it lasted. Good luck.;)

Hope is not like the movie saw, and we wont reach up to a SAW7 :}

Yes

Having been caught in the distant past. If your super contributions aren't up to date, act fast, before it's too late, and hopefully it's not too late now. :{

Capt Claret,
How do you propose they get their super?
Isn't there another salary payment due to the employees in the week ahead?
How do they propose to pay without income from now grounded aeroplanes?:uhoh:

Frontallobe

I don't know the answer to your question. All I know is that when it happened to my colleagues and I in the early 90's the co had been wound up before we found out that super hadn't been paid.

One would hope that knowing in advance might give more options.

Doesn't look like SAW won the NATO contract.:eek:

Source: Luchtvaartnieuws: dagelijks actueel luchtvaartnieuws is in Dutch so here is a short translation:

Amsterdam Airlines will start fly from the end of March between northern European countries and Afghanistan. The Dutch company has a contract signed with Nord Caps, a military alliance of five countries in Northern Europe. The agreement has a duration of at least one year and may be extended by two years.

The flights of Amsterdam Airlines, on behalf of Nordcaps, will depart from airports in Oslo, Copenhagen, Vasteras (Sweden) and Pori (Finland) to militairy zones in Kabul and Mazar I Sharif. A stop-over in Trabzon (Turkey) is necessairy.

Well, it's good news for Amsterdam Airlines. At least a contract but instead of carrying tourism and business travellers, which was the statement of AA, it'll carry military guys.

(p.s. sorry for my terrible English, I hope it is quite understandable)

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S*W on the market
 

Has any one heard that Str*teg*c is doing due diligence on S*W for possible aquisition.

have heard that their AOC has some value left in it a well as some of their contracts.

I spoke to DC on friday about a few things on the phone and there was no mention of any sales or directors going overseas at all. In fact, he was talking about the future and things they want to do,

BB

The facts would indicate that SAW is in trouble. If they are behind in their superannuation payments as stated, then they have breached the law. Unfortunately, usually the ATO finds the company and the employees get nothing. It is an indication of a serious cash flow problem. I also understand that a large percentage of the flight crew have been made redundant this week. Without sufficient flight crews, the aircraft won't achieve a break even utilisation. Two flights a week from Perth to Cocos Island would not achieve anywhere near break even. East Timor has gone very quite. The initial proposed schedule of 7 days pw DRW - DIL - Bali and return, then DRW - Bali 7 nights pw looked a great way to lose a massive amount of money in a very short time.
It sadly looks like the "rose tinted glasses" have gone black, and with the current world financial position, I can't see it improving in the short term.
I truly feel sorry for those people who have returned from overseas, only to find themselves out of work, and with little prospect of getting suitable employment.

So many armchair experts.
can't spaek for SAW but I heard the same thing about Virgin Blue many years ago on this forum. They would NEVER get airborneapparently according to the armchair experts.
Impulse would NEVER get jet aircraft.
Jetstar would fail miserably because no major knew how to run a low-cost.
President Obama need look no further for fiscal expertise.
The oracles of aviation and all things economic can be found right here on PPRUNE.

AI E. Vator
 

Thats Gold.. :D



Very True..:ok:

Thanks for the productive insights boys.

SAW have lost their rights to fly to Bali as a a stipulation on receiving the route required them to be flying by midnight last night.
Jetstar can breath easy.

And yes it's in the public domain.

Al E Vator and Full Noise,

Ok you are right,there are too many armchair experts on this forum,

but the truth is Virg*n,Jetst*r are still flying today,
Impulse`s remnants are still flying today,
and still growing,

S*W is a skeleton standing ready to crash on the ground anytime.

so your argument cant be compared,

people are not critical for anything,but to find what transpired for a good growing company to be in such a mess and destroy careers.
And the millions lost depite the cutting edge master plan.

this forum is for discussing aviation,and fair decent comments can be made so that lessons can be learnt,

remember, present forum members are tomorrows managers/entrepreneurs.

RUP
Stuff all people on this forum are managers or entrepreneurs! SERIOUSLY DUDE.

new hangar
 

An ex employee was told by DJC less then one week ago, that S*W were still due to take delivery of another aircraft in March and still planned to build a new hangar. Although I understand they are late paying there first installment to the builder.
Thats where the redundancy and super have gone B*b M*xw£ll is alive and well and living in Brissy.

Cutting edge master plan ??

Good God ... do you know ANYTHING about aviation ???????????????

New Timor based carrier.
 

The March delivered 190 will be for Timor Air painted in their beautiful paint scheme,based and registered in AUT, Timor Leste ,first in a fleet,

flying international and regional routes like Bali, WestPapua,Bougainville, Singapore, Macau, Aceh, Solomons,Niugini,Sydney, Brisbane, Goa, etc..

The management staff are the brainy lucky chosen ones after the redundancy in S*W.

Based in DRW and AUT with a brand spanky Corporate complex in DRW,
including a state of the art Embraer/C*sa approved MRO.

They have already started building the hangar and ordered cutting edge
test equipments and tools.

Talks are already going on with regional Embraer operators like Vi*g*n ,Air No**t etc ..to have all their maintenance carried out there at asian rates.

There is also plans to fly Timor,Darwin,Christmas,Cocos,Perth and return.

Finance is coming from the unlimited usual calenders patents royalties.
About AUD $ 500,000 have already been earmarked for setting up in Timor.

ex S*W staff including pilots and engineers should keep an eye on the big recruitment drive coming soon for DRW basing ,on their web site.
As usual,fluency in Portuguese would be an advantage.

Oh dear Oh dear.

rup, what are you on.

"Fluency in Portuguese", yeah right:confused:

rup
 

Is it me or is does he really sound like Fawlty Towers. :=

yes this time i am on Timorese crude,

all the 190 delivery positions are being honoured,up to december 09

this time, think the future, S*W was yesterday,

Fly Timor Air

Timor Air in its second phase-Dec09 could be flying up to NZ cities,

and if plans work out well,may be to Brazil,Mozambique,Namibia,and Portugal,

its just the 787-10 design has still to be frozen.

Good ideas are always laughed at.

Remember Emir*tes in 1985,and if you are old enough Sing*pore in 1972.

And if you are young enough ,Air Asi* .

rup, a quick question for you, whose/which AOC/FAOC will these operations be carried out on?

Can't hear any one laughing ... :ugh:

Clary, that's because aviation safety is a serious matter.

Fawlty Towers was funny. SAW is NOT.

RUP
 

Please bugger off, seems everytime you come along, people get baited into it, and then we loose another SAW thread... :rolleyes:

:oh:

Mr rup won't be influencing this thread anymore. Nevertheless, a word of advice to everyone else to keep names out of it, lest they face a similar fate.:)

TID

To get it back on track, some FACTS.

At least some staff super has not been paid since 30 October last year. That payment was for the quarter ended 30 September, so we are looking at 5 months in arrears now.

ALL affected should immediately:

1. check your fund to confirm if what I said above applies to you
2. phone the super hotline on 13 10 20 and lodge an employee report
3. to make it go smoothly for you, have your tax file number, date you started work, your super fund member number and the company ABN which is 35 121 705 646

The operator will give you a receipt number for the investigation.

They acknowledge that it can take up to 12 months to complete their investigation, and if the company goes insolvent meanwhile, it may not be possible to recover your super entitlements. Which means we have probably been done over, because blind Freddy can see what the grand scheme is. Form new company then fold SAW. 'Cept they are not smart enough to realise that the AOC can't just transfer across (last sentence may not be factual as there could be a spivvy way of doing it that I haven't thought of).

Interesting and TIMELY Reading given the last post
 

ASIC Free Company Name Search , look at "crewing" as well