How many employers will be climbing over each other to sign up the services of an ex CEO with a military background, a Chief pilot who never flew and a maintenance controller who couldn't control maintenance? Not many I believe, I think there might be a queue developing at centrelink.
I can hear you all saying that there should be a little forgive and forget, don't forget they are now unemployed. Well I am sorry to say that my forgiveness gene has taken a wee small holiday and I hope they suffer like most of us have with no pay, supa, or redundancy settlement. But they won't because they will have feathered their nests and will now set forth into the sunset giving the rest of us two fingers and planning a new venture with someone elses money.

But you know what they say don't get angry get even.

Ok now they are in VA,

so who lost the most money in the whole exercise,
i presume the calendar patent holder,
the joint venturers,

but the higher management lost their big ego,their dream,
their arrogance,their rocketing careers,

remember the famous A team

the farmer from the plains of Victoria,
the planner of all defunct airlines,
the one eared Imam Omar,
the spotty office boy,
the very eager human counsellor,
the Darling Downs house wife,
the italian harley riding cane toad,
the one man cargo,
the dubya bush loving operator,
the red chilli tiger meat salesman,
the very cold magoo at zero kelvin,
the unshaved drunky in shorts on a ute,
the one licence fat donkey,
the big mamma cat lover,
the gawky girl in school uniform,

and last and least
the snake oil salesman.

best of luck in their future endeavours.

tail wheel....

SKY AIR WORLD PTY LIMITED (the AOC holder)

ACN 121 705 646
ABN 35 121 705 646

** UNDER EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATION and/or CONTROLLER APPOINTED **

Notification of Appointment of Administrator Under S.436a, 436b, 436c, 436e(4), 449b, 449c(1), 449c(4) or 449(6) lodged on 13 March 2009.

I certainly hope all employees get their entitlements. I also hope that it's not solely up to taxpayers to have to fund those entitlements, because it seems reasonably certain that the directors of the failed Company were on notice since at least 20th February 2009 that things were 'shaky'. :*

See: ASIC Free Company Name Search

From my earlier post:

Company in external administration:
SKY AIR WORLD PTY LIMITED
Status ** UNDER EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATION and/or CONTROLLER APPOINTED **

No change of status:
SKY AIR WORLD CAPITAL PTY LTD
SKY AIR WORLD HOLDING PTY LIMITED
SKY AIR WORLD INTERNATIONAL PTY LTD
SKY AIR WORLD (SOLOMON ISLANDS) PTY LTD
SKY AIR WORLD EAST TIMOR PTY LTD

I suggested the following companies may also be related entities:
SKY AIR SERVICES (INTERNATIONAL) PTY LTD
SKY AIR LOGISTICS PTY LTD (Now JOINT LOGISTICS PTY LTD)
SKY AIR INVESTMENTS PTY. LTD.

Post # 158 from SPF suggests SKY AIR SERVICES (INTERNATIONAL) PTY LTD (previous name SKY AIR CREWING PTY LTD) may not be a related entity and that may well be the case.

The relationship, and in particular any inter company loans and guarantees between those companies above whose name starts with "SKY AIR WORLD" may be very interesting, especially if one of them is a party to recent acquisition of resorts........ :E

From the CASA web site, the AOC is held by:
SKY AIR WORLD PTY LIMITED
PO Box 1455
EAGLE FARM QLD 4009
AUSTRALIA

So I guess any future flying operations are now at the discretion of the Administrators, not the Directors.

I feel for the boys and girls out there who are now out of pocket in very difficult times. Their wait for payment could be a very long time, if at all.

GEERS
 

Cant say I'll be holding my breath :(:(

I've heard various reports about GEERS. I don't think applications are a simple process and $$ limits may apply. I hope I am wrong.

SAWII..The return!!!
 

I believe the company we need to watch now is Joint Logistics, formerly Sky Air Logistics.

Name changed a few weeks ago and various rumours that the present employees of SAW are to be re employed offshore under their new venture.:ugh:

Hopefully the administrator and ASIC will be able to trace their financial records, find out what they have spent over the last few months whilst avoiding paying their ex staff and creditors and maybe able to locate all the expensive test equipment that has been mysteriously disappearing over the last few weeks!!!!:=

I'm pretty certain that 'SAWII..The return' will be as big a flop as the first.

Straight from the Workplace Website

workplace.gov.au - How your GEERS claim will be assessed

You may be eligible for GEERS assistance if you:

• lost your employment because your former employer became bankrupt or a liquidator was appointed and are owed employee entitlements, and
• lodge your claim within 12 months of losing your job or the date of which your former employer became bankrupt or went into liquidation, whichever is the later.

You may also be eligible for GEERS assistance if you:

• resigned following the appointment of an Insolvency Practitioner (IP), or
• resigned or your employment was terminated within six months before the appointment of an IP.

You may be eligible to receive assistance under GEERS for the following employee entitlements:

• up to three months unpaid wages for the period prior to the appointment of the insolvency practitioner (including amounts deducted from your wages, such as for superannuation, but not passed on to your superannuation fund)
• all unpaid annual leave
• all unpaid long service leave
• up to a maximum of 5 weeks unpaid payment in lieu of notice, and
• up to a maximum of 16 weeks unpaid redundancy entitlement.

Hope this Helps!

remember the famous A team

the farmer from the plains of Victoria,
the planner of all defunct airlines,
the one eared Imam Omar,
the spotty office boy,
the very eager human counsellor,
the Darling Downs house wife,
the italian harley riding cane toad,
the one man cargo,
the dubya bush loving operator,
the red chilli tiger meat salesman,
the very cold magoo at zero kelvin,
the unshaved drunky in shorts on a ute,
the one licence fat donkey,
the big mamma cat lover,
the gawky girl in school uniform,

and last and least
the snake oil salesman.

best of luck in their future endeavours.


SKYII -- with this type of team,of course it will be a flop
but father in law with deep pockets can allow boy scout
to go on holliday camps around the pacific.

These people dont learn from history.
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GEERS
 

From the GEERS website:


" Who is eligible?

You may be eligible for GEERS assistance if you:

* lost your employment because your former employer became bankrupt or a liquidator was appointed and are owed employee entitlements, and
* lodge your claim within 12 months of losing your job or the date of which your former employer became bankrupt or went into liquidation, whichever is the later.

You may also be eligible for GEERS assistance if you:

* resigned following the appointment of an Insolvency Practitioner (IP), or
* resigned or your employment was terminated within six months before the appointment of an IP.

Who is not eligible?

You are not eligible to receive GEERS assistance if:

* your former employer is under the control of an administrator, a receiver manager, or is subject to a Deed of Company Arrangement, a Trust, a Personal Insolvency Agreement, or a Debt Agreement
* you were not an employee, i.e. if you were a contractor, sub-contractor or agent
* you lodge your claim more than 12 months after your employment was terminated or the date on which your former employer became bankrupt or entered into liquidation, whichever is the later
* you were employed by a partnership and not all partners are subject to insolvency, or
* there are funds available from your former employer or another source to pay your outstanding entitlements within 16 weeks of the department receiving your claim. "


With reference to the above,

It would appear at first reading that a person only becomes eligible for GEERS when an Insolvency Practitioner (IP) has been appointed.

At this stage, SAW is only under the control of a (Voluntary) Administrator (VA).

At this stage, SAW has not gone bankrupt or gone in to liquidation. Until it does, GEERS eligibility under Clause 1 point 1, 2 of "Who is eligible" above does not apply.

Further under Clause 2, points 1, 2 of "Who is eligible"

I do not know whether an IP has been appointed, nor do I know what the function of an IP is, or at what stage of the process he may be appointed, but it would appear that until an IP IS appointed (by the VA??), an ex-employee is not eligible to receive GEERS assistance.

Further,

Clause 1, point 1 of "Who is not eligible" specifies ineligibility when "your former employer is under the control of an administrator".

This is the current situation.

My point?

As things stand NOW it may take a few more of the "triggers" mentioned above to occur before GEERS eligibility is confirmed.

Have a great day! :mad:

once bitten,

thanks for the clarification, I obviously hadn't looked in-depth before I posted.

At least now ex employees have a few more people looking and posting the information available.

Cheers:ok:

If you want to know where your entitlements are headed go to new thread on White Shoes in the Pacific.

we saw saw
 

had a quick search for we saw saw on facebook but couldnt find it, is that the correct name of the group,

why?
 

If an old man with a habit of buying bad airlines wants to throw money at SAW, THEN LET HIM!!!!!....... it is the best chance you have of getting any money out of SAW.

DJC is out, admin is in.....why bad mouth the old man now? He has no intrest in saving DJC and he will not be his partner. If he spends his money you may get yours. If he walks away, then nobody gets anything.

Your war with DJC will never hurt him as much as it will hurt the others who can't afford to sit it out.

:ok:

Spot on! Honiara was the Schott that cost us all of our jobs...that and possibly 1000 other poor management decisions! Useless, Management had no backbone whatsoever. We were told at the last sacking meeting at Hawkers, D Charlton quoted: “to keep our mouths shut and to stop spreading malicious rumours (more like facts) on websites if we expect to receive our entitlements”. We were treated with total contempt. He blamed the sackings on the world economic crisis. However, he failed take any accountability regarding his management style or lack of, and the dismal records set by a majority of the engineers, which basically cost us most of our charter contracts.

No thankyou for service just exiting with a little grin, disgusting! I guess all bets are of with DC seeing that GEERS will be paying my entitlements. So let the facts run wild!!

BTW, both 190’s were impounded at Broome by customs. Customs notified the crews regarding problems in regards to what cargo they were carrying and they wanted to inspect immediately. However, all cargo was searched revealing no problems or cash. Crew are over-nighting in Broome instead of Jakarta due to duty limitations.

That’s my two cents!

wash your mouth out
 

Hey Barbarossa i take exception to you blaming the Engineers for loosing your Job please dont lump me in with those GA would be airline engineers and the pirate at the top.I happen to be a multi licenced group 20 Engineer who just so hapened, like most of the other decent engineers i got shafted with,made a huge mistake joining Skyairworld.Not only that i like 10 other decent guys wasted 3 months of our lives studying for the 170/190 licence and may not gain the licence now due to this stuff up.I appreciate you are angry,as am i,but please vent your anger towards the people who deserve it as we all have enough on our plates trying to find a job with a real airline. Best of luck to all of you Ahh i feel better after that rant CHEERS:ugh:

Barbarossa

Like VRBNE, please dont associate all engineers or others from SAW in the same category as the senior management team, they all have to now like everyone else find employment and being tarnished with the brush that you mentioned is not fair. Summary, one CEO with some cash hired experts to run an airline. Experts were thus in the field of creating the image they knew what to do......the people employed to do the doing......tried but when the required correct and logical information does not present itself from above....well we all have seen what happens. It wasnt for a lack of trying from most which is a shame.

Thank you Vrbne, there were some outstanding engineers employed but were unable to overcome a group of self serving, dangerous, deceitful engineers most from a R*x/H*zelt*n background and GA. Every mishap, bad practise and downright dangerous engineering activity was directly attributable to this group. And before you ask, yes there is evidence most of which is in the hands of the great toothless beast that is CA*A.
If CA*A had been more proactive and had pursued the malpractices and those that had carried them out perhaps SAW might have survived.

I have just been informed both E190's VH-SXK and VH-SXO have left Broome for Malaysia, being returned to the Leasing company I'm guessing.

RIP Sky Air World.

You first!
 

I'll say again a "MAJORITY" of engineers. Let me give you example; Noumea flight Fri 13th of Feb, Crew arrive at terminal for departure on SXO just being hooked up at PAPA, crew waiting for A/C to reach bay 85 for additional 15 mins. Then Capt discovers FMS hasn't been updated, this is after SXO has been sitting at PAPA for 2 days, meanwhile we've just been given a dire warning by AERgO the day before telling us we're on notice regarding our delays and on the verge of losing the contract. After re-boot of the sytems, pushback then "NO DISPATCH" is displayed. This was logged only four other times previously. Not much at all I suppose?? Capt aborts and Alliance take Noumea flight and we lose the contract. So tell me who was responsible for that??

I do agree there were good engineers at the company but they were few are far between. The engineers knew about the AERgO warning and you would of thought that everything would have run smoothly for that flight. However, after that incident a large number of peaple thought the senior engineers had a hiden agenda, and that's the turth. I too feel sorry for those that lost their jobs but please don't tell me that engineering had nothing with it in some regard. After the Noumea episode most couldn't believe what had happened based on our current circumstance

You make a good point
 

@ The Hooker, Yes, they’re the guys I was referring to. The senior member/s, most notably the one who resembled Jaba the Hut. Their old school practices, I think, were extremely dangerous. The “No Dispatch” warning that day was the result of a part that cost $7000 from VB. Now, the Harley riding embezzler (having his bike accessorized and serviced by charging it to SAW…AMAZING WHY HE WASN’T SACKED FOR THAT) was the most dangerous of them all. He thought the part cost too much. Who hell does he think he is to make that type of safety or strategic decision?! That’s not up to him. Replace the part and get on with it! If SAW management had the guts to remove him and his lackies and passed the responsibility to you guys it may have been different story. The culture at SAW was one of complete chaos and these guys reveled in it - jobs for the boys mentality (I’ll fix when I fix it). I guess they thought; “what are they gonna do sack us”?? Well, Y-E-A-H they did…. with the rest of us.

I have no problems with the other engineers except these guys and their “close enough is good enough” attitudes!

Barbarossa

Glad to see others understand the frustrating circumstances that half the engineering department had to put up with.

Information is power, thus information was never provided to those who could use it. It got to a stage were those that usually went over and above to make things work took steps back and let the ship runs its own course.......and the results are fairly apparent.

FACTS: FMS due data known about months/years in advance, FMS data provided from honeywell for download approx 2-4 days before expiry. FMS data update takes 30-60 minutes to carry out. The fact that they had 2 aircraft expire and cause delays is..........not unexpected considering who was planning and organising.

Alas, engineering though was just one piece of the puzzle unfortunately

A charter airline that couldnt handle a charter with only 24 hours notice......:ugh:

say what?
 

Did you just say that I and everyone else are out of work because the engineers that went above and beyond in the past decided to "prove a point". Hey, Thanks...:ok:

How long would you try to tie your shoelaces whilst someone holds one arm behind your back then critises your lack of competence?

your not helping your image.....
 

As long as other peoples children and families depend on me getting that shoelace tied. I do it forever. That or I go tie shoelaces for some one else. I DO NOT give less than my best just to prove a point and risk the employment of others. May be a little heads up to the rest of us, we could have gotten out before hand.

check you PM Iamsosmart.

At no time were small group of engineers not performing their roles as requested. What we did stop doing was other peoples jobs. It was in all our interests for SAW to keep going. Cant work miracles though.

Now, the Harley riding embezzler (having his bike accessorized and serviced by charging it to SAW…AMAZING WHY HE WASN’T SACKED FOR THAT) was the most dangerous of them all. He thought the part cost too much. Who hell does he think he is to make that type of safety or strategic decision?!

Is it not the same cane toad looking guy who cut fly by wire looms
to dispatch an a/c out of HIR,
and susequently rehashed the whole log book to a new one to cover
his finger prints,

the same guy who spliced 3 places a fly by wire flap control loom,

the same guy who sent the wrong tool to SYD to fix an plane aog for 5 days.

the same guy who said in an email that the manuals on the a/c laptops were outdated ones used since 2007,

the same guy could not update the a/c avionic system in PER,

and more and more,

he normally some time came in at night in a gown/nightie to load special tools in his ute.

but then the whole blame of losing contracts should go to the tamal tiger
killer, red chili coloured brown snake.

and his bed mate in C*S* ,H.Cl*rk,
who approved all his dirty work prepared by the one eared Imam Omar.

Then the ever cold magoo at 0 Kelvin,the man who could not do anything
even the aborted c check on the 170 was his masterpiece.

then there is the unshaven druncky in a ute who was prepared to sign
off any work not done.

and finally the one license big fat donkey from flying medicine who
gave all of them the dirty paperwork.

in conclusion finally blame the maint controller,and the C*S* accounteable managers for losing your jobs.

Rather than blame individuals for the demise at SAW I believe it is in all the secured and unsecured creditors (which we all are) best interests to obtain our entitlements before all individuals and assests (if any) are redeployed internationally.

I dont believe there was anything anyone/or department could have done to prevent this outcome......this has been carefully planned for quite some time. Unfortunately, innocent individuals/companies get stuck in the middle. Lessons for the future I guess.

Your changing the subject
 

I want to know if you knew of a problem or issue that would cause a delay and did nothing because it wasn't your job!!!

Yes, we had many problems in the company. Everyone made mistakes. The guys at the top screwed us, no suprises. The dept heads were bad, we all knew that.

But I can not forgive someone who claims the molrale high ground while letting a delay occur that they could have prevented. If you were one of the good ones, no wonder we failed.

We can stop with the conspiracies. Every plan that DJC had in the works has failed. Nothing is being transfered overseas. Nothing was smuggled out of the country on the 190's. No contract has been held. The company has no assests aside from an AOC with missing postholders. Everything has been leased and either has been or will be returned to the leasors. No A-team is secertly at work under a new name. Adagold will not work with DJC. The administator has control of SAW. The only thing that matters to any of the current and ex employees now is if Terry is willing to throw some money in. If not then the Admin will sell everything off and we may get a few cents on the dollar.

read your PM

Issues were presented to senior management with solutions.

Result.........removed from a position to constructively support the operation and then made redundant, obviously took issues to wrong person. Focuss your anger and spite on the people that are really responsible for your situation, not others in similar circumstances to you.

not AN Terry????:uhoh:

PA
 

Hey boys and girls, you are going down the wrong path. Keep your eyes peeled for a new owner with new concept and new staff. SAW is to important to turn loose. Bon voyage.:rolleyes:

AOC
 

Gentlemen, Stay tuned to forthcoming developments things may not be as drastic as they appear. A white knight is in the wings.

:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh: Are you kidding?

No , we are not kidding

Iamsosmrt. You are new here. We're not having a tit-for-tat on PPRuNe over maintenance not carried out. If the aircraft was not air worthy and the part or tool was not available, engineers don't sign it out, pilots don't fly it.

Accept that and move on. End of story.

even with a DOCA sunshine she's still pennies in the dollar for most creditors. the carcass gets picked over and the sails are set with a "new" crew...
whose going to put up millions for what?? aircraft mmmmmmmm - business mmmmmm. the gumment contract will be a big hoop to jump through at this time methinks. OK who's Terry??:hmm:

Terry may be the white knight Do not guess how to go about gaining control of a company in Administration There are avenues to this that takes more than a little knowledge that aircrews may have The distance to this has been long but the runway now may be set for take off

I may be new to this forum, but not to this issue.

I only asked for clarification on one statment. That was never answered completely.

"It got to a stage were those that usually went over and above to make things work took steps back and let the ship runs its own course.......and the results are fairly apparent. "

I agreed that the managment sucked and that everyone made mistakes. I was one of them. Never meant to be a tit for tat. Even if it was, god forbid it be done on the "rumor network".

Don't worry. you won't have to put up with me for long. I'm a single issue poster and this issue has a shelf life.