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grrowler 20th Aug 2008 01:47

Fair enough I guess, although 2 odd years isn't a long time in any business; perhaps I should have said they are a smaller operator, my point is still valid.

armslides&crossdress 20th Aug 2008 02:34

Regarding Interviews and security of position.. Any move to a new company is a step away from security to some degree.

Way up the pro's and con's and be happy with your decision - there is nothing to be gained ( Crazy 88 ) by shooting down a potential employer !!.. unless your Agenda is to shaft some expat interviewing that is....
The only downside to returning to Oz I see is the possibility of working with small minded pilots displaying attitudes like this - & those who think the world owes them something.

Factual -informative / constructive and Agenda Free post's would be nice, but that is seldom the case and why many/I seldom visit Prune these days..

Sal-e 21st Aug 2008 06:47

Forget about SAW. The fact that they persist with using the E170 says a lot about the credibility of the company. I really don't know how monkeys like S*ms*m keeps getting away with twisting parliamentary arms in even allowing the company into the country....the whole deal reaks with corruption. Begs the question..who's more the idiot? The idiot or the idiot who listens to an idiot?

BPA 21st Aug 2008 08:37

For those looking at SAW
 
I have nothing against SAW, but for those looking at a job with them should consider they are a jet charter company and this segment in Australia is becoming very crowded. Currently we have SAW, Alliance, Network, Skywest and NJS all competing for the same work. SAW is using newer (re more expensive) equipment while the others are using older equipment (re cheaper).

SAW currently have 2 aircraft operating for PX under wet lease. Have a look at the history of PX and wet leasing (not the best).

SAW loads to HIR are very poor, this fact not fiction.

I've spoken to a few pilots from SAW and not one would tell me who is the backer behind the company is, so either they didn't know or they are not allowed to tell.

So if you are coming from O/S and from a secure job you may want to consider the above.

sthaussiepilot 21st Aug 2008 09:20

:ok:Check your mailbox

sthaussiepilot 21st Aug 2008 09:23

AFS INVESTMENTS 67-B, INC, Charles H. Meyer (USA)


Really I shouldnt release it, however I dont think SAW will survive anymore, from certian things I've herd...

sthaussiepilot 21st Aug 2008 09:43

Oh thats also available on CASA's website registration's

enter: SWO or SKX (in the VH-*** section just for those who dont know)

sky surfer 22nd Aug 2008 01:02

sthaussiepilot

seems like you know alot about SAW. Work for them or didnt make the grade or ...?

Can you inform us all how you seem to know?

troppont 22nd Aug 2008 01:09

Sky surfer

why waist your time...remember what pprune stands for...rumour and s*h*t stiring.

sounds like a very disgruntled person however :) :E

Skystar320 22nd Aug 2008 02:50


Fair enough I guess, although 2 odd years isn't a long time in any business; perhaps I should have said they are a smaller operator, my point is still valid.
Nope point isnt valid I am afraid

Mach E Avelli 22nd Aug 2008 04:40

You don't get to lease big ticket items like aircraft if you are a financial lightweight. And you don't run something as expensive as an aviation operation at what must be a loss for two years if you are not serious. So far, they seem to have paid all their bills. If they hadn't, I am sure these forums would be buzzing with it by now. The fact that no-one seems to know much about them is encouraging, after all the hype and bull surrounding some other operators who mouth off with grand plans but then don't deliver the goods. Or who lay off staff, fold the operation, dud the creditors etc when it does not make an instant buck.
But, as someone else said, a start-up is no place for pilots who are risk-averse. Neither is leaving an established position with an overseas airline to join a big company at the bottom of the seniority list a good move for those with debts to service. Even the great Qantas has been known to lay off pilots in a downturn.

sthaussiepilot 22nd Aug 2008 06:11

Ah the advantages of employees.... information passed from managment aswell,

Also :p disgruntled? not in the least, I like the company, and most of the people in it, however I am being realistic, the current business model just cant withstand the current fuel prices, and with the current RPT's and suggested RPT's, its just not workable, not with the few amount of aircraft, how they are obtained, and other costs, its just a matter of money,
I like the company, I would love to see it succeed.... but unfortuantly, I cant see this as a reality, with RPTs it might make it as a Charter Airline with modifications to charter prices etc...

sayallafter 22nd Aug 2008 07:03

Good luck to SAW, really hope they last, but it has be said that they must have lost a largish SHEDLOAD of money on the two HIR ventures.

Using a E170 on that route could never be considered as a good business plan.

Eventually the backers will want a return on the money, and you would have to think that the HIR venture set it all back somewhat.

And that wouldn't be a rumour or ****e stiring!!

DJ1989 22nd Aug 2008 07:41

omg!
 
another bitch fight on pprune...shock horror.

sayallafter 22nd Aug 2008 10:30

DJ1989

this doesn't even classify as a pprune bitch fight, in majority it is full of fact.

Hardly worthwhile using up your first post on this thread.

Skystar320 22nd Aug 2008 11:56

he is 19 & female, what more can you say?

"Slap me silly Biatch!"

TAC inop. 22nd Aug 2008 15:18

Actually...I'd like to say thanks to all !

on a positive note, you guys have helped me - and others, I guess - a lot.

It's always a tough thing to descide on limited information whether or not to throw your hand in, and move back to Oz for a seemingly rosey position.

What some of you forget - being somewhat in-touch with the environment back home- is that there are folks who only get the spindoctors view. Well, that's me...my wife, and my kids.

I see how this may end if I take the job, and we realise now that it's not worth the gambol.

You fellows may have saved me more than you know.

Thanks again

grrowler 23rd Aug 2008 08:10


Nope point isnt valid I am afraid
Yes champ, it is. SAW is in the same line of work as Alliance, NJS, Ozjet, etc (smaller operators). If any of these companies lose a mining contract, for example, jobs will go. If any of them gain one, quick upgrades happen ie. higher risk = higher reward. This is rather different to VB, J*, QF which while they might experience steady growth, don't tend to have the overnight "booms".

bizzybody 23rd Aug 2008 22:55

A saw somewhere that the Solomon want them to build a resort or something if they are to conduct flights in and out. From what i have read, they are STILL looking into it. Are they really in the financial position to fund such a venture?

It all come about because the government felt as though they were taking it away from the national carrier

solomonstarnews.com - SkyAirWorld moves ahead on domestic flights here

sthaussiepilot 24th Aug 2008 04:02

Technically yes, they are in a position to do this, but only if they were at least 90% sure that it would fill enough seats, and on what days...

Operating a single engine aircraft on that route would (In my opinion) be a rather bad idea, using something more like a King Air, Beech 1900D, Cheifton, or to a lesser extend a 404Titan, would probably be a better choice... (open to better suggestions etc)

However, Its probably not a sensible idea to expand right now, SAW needs to get the current RPT's undercontrol, and place its feet in one place for now, Australia or Solomon Islands, you can make regional routes in Aus, and Solomons when your heading into financial troubles....



As for the resort, this is the first I have herd about it, and I think it could be a very good idea, it could work out very nicely if they play their cards right...:ok:


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