Merged: SAW cancels HIR flights
 

I see that SAW has canx all their Monday,Wednesday,Friday and Sunday flights to Hir and now only operate on Tuesday,Thursday and Saturday. Have they finally got sick of losing money or are they realising the aircraft is not really meant for the route after their latest incident.It just goes to show how incorrect the claims made by certain posters in other posts that they are there for the longhaul and even funnier that they are financially supported by the Solomons government as Solair is finished. Where do these people get this stuff ? Do they just invent it to make their post better or are they just plain gullible.

Haha dork, watch this space - it will be filled with the blue and white.

That's a great idea Bigger aircraft so you can lose even more money. Bring it on !!!!!!!!!!

Whats it to you anyway? Why not just wish people well and hope all prospers?

Is your life that boring you need to have a stab at someone, get a life. You must be too busy running you own highly successful business, you seem to be an expert and in the know.

Anyway, I wish you well and hope you fill the hole that seems to be causing you some personal grief, unbeknownst to you.

:)

...and jump into it and pull the dirt in over you!

Very touchy you SAW people Just stating a fact i.e. how do survive when a 70 to 90 seat aircaft operates a 6+ hour flight with single digit average loads. ANSWER you don't unless you have an endless pit of money to waste.
Wateroff without getting too nasty you dork, unlike your poor unfortunate self I am happy with my lot and you don't need to be an expert to see these operations are not econmoically sustainable.
Finally I wish you as much goodwill as you wish me but would still like to know why the flights were cancelled and why people invent these buls--t stories based on pure fiction

So is there a secret no one wants to share?
 

Which big space is going to be filled with blue and white?

And is the reduced schedule to / from Honiara also a secret. The SAW website has a news item about flying to Cairns dated June but nothing since so I wonder what the big deal is?

Come on guys tell us before we read it in the Cairns Post!

Must be making more money on the CNS-POM services for PX

Why is Pixie cross hiring a SAW 145 to operate the CS - POM - CS route?

I always thought the F 100 had good loads in and out of CS.!!!!

100 seats vs 50 (or minus).

feenix

You seem to be such an expert on aircraft types to be used on this sector.

You should suggest what type should be on the run?


Offset

I say again, Why do you care so much?

And you believe stuff posted on pprune..................... :bored: It must be true!!

It always seem to be the same few on here that cant wait to speculate or point out something they see as a negative - shock - horror - doom - gloom.

Speculate on - speculate on, makes for fun.

Told something to do with crewing and a/c out due maintenance for the PX F100

The reason we, or, sorry, I, give a crap, is that SAW are interviewing at the moment, and, god help us if we believe the spin-doctors who tell us its all fine, and rapidly expanding...blah, blah...

See, this is a very important point...I dont want to leave my current position overseas, just to return to a flea-pit!....Sure, I want to return to Oz, but come on, dont piss me around with false and empty promises. The wife will kill me if we return, and this lot goes broke....

This effects my life....its not a pissing-contest about whether they are nice fellows, or really trying hard to make it in a depressed environment...they probably are....but that's not what concerns me right now....I just dont want the smoke and mirror stories。

...and all the info I can get right now, is you blokes letting me know how you see it...fleas and all

Thanks


I want to believe...but this seems like a nightmare I cant be a part of now

...thanks to all you fellas with info

I'd tread warily, Crazy 88. SAW and SAW Crewing may not be marching to the same beat.

Well mate there are ways to go about things, maybe just ask next time, rather than pointing out what you perceive to be a hole in the boat. The industry is hard enough.
Good Luck with your decision.

I too have an interview scheduled with SAW but also have a well paid slot overseas and likewise would want factual up to date info so as to be able to make an informed decision. Oz will always be home but I wouldn't want to bet my families future on a maybe. It seems getting factual info on SAW is like pulling teeth. And yes, before all you would be wanna be experts aim your spouts, I have picked up the phone and asked them personally some indepth questions but received only vague replies.

As posted above, SAW and SAW Crewing maybe telling differing stories.

Casper, what are you going on about? Don't think SAC have a lot to do with it.

The rest - Firstly, SAW is a business. They are not going to share commercially sensitive information with a candidate. They are probably in the process of seeking work, tendering for contracts, etc so even if they did want to share it with you, it would all change by tomorrow.

Which brings me to the second point; they are an aviation start-up. Surely anyone with any experience in the industry would understand that you take a risk by working in aviation, let alone a start-up. You may get greater reward, or it may all fall in a heap. If you want security you're in the wrong business buddy!

I had been told that SAW crewing no longer exists, and to answer all those in depth question, any company that is mainly a contract company in its infancy will not be able to answer those until contracts are settled unlike a mainly RPT pax op. That is just my observation from running a contract company, situations change and you need flexible crew, so its not for everyone.

Nig Not nog

I wouldn't class SAW as a start up anymore......... their old now! they should have found their feet

Fair enough I guess, although 2 odd years isn't a long time in any business; perhaps I should have said they are a smaller operator, my point is still valid.

Regarding Interviews and security of position.. Any move to a new company is a step away from security to some degree.

Way up the pro's and con's and be happy with your decision - there is nothing to be gained ( Crazy 88 ) by shooting down a potential employer !!.. unless your Agenda is to shaft some expat interviewing that is....
The only downside to returning to Oz I see is the possibility of working with small minded pilots displaying attitudes like this - & those who think the world owes them something.

Factual -informative / constructive and Agenda Free post's would be nice, but that is seldom the case and why many/I seldom visit Prune these days..

Forget about SAW. The fact that they persist with using the E170 says a lot about the credibility of the company. I really don't know how monkeys like S*ms*m keeps getting away with twisting parliamentary arms in even allowing the company into the country....the whole deal reaks with corruption. Begs the question..who's more the idiot? The idiot or the idiot who listens to an idiot?

For those looking at SAW
 

I have nothing against SAW, but for those looking at a job with them should consider they are a jet charter company and this segment in Australia is becoming very crowded. Currently we have SAW, Alliance, Network, Skywest and NJS all competing for the same work. SAW is using newer (re more expensive) equipment while the others are using older equipment (re cheaper).

SAW currently have 2 aircraft operating for PX under wet lease. Have a look at the history of PX and wet leasing (not the best).

SAW loads to HIR are very poor, this fact not fiction.

I've spoken to a few pilots from SAW and not one would tell me who is the backer behind the company is, so either they didn't know or they are not allowed to tell.

So if you are coming from O/S and from a secure job you may want to consider the above.

:ok:Check your mailbox

AFS INVESTMENTS 67-B, INC, Charles H. Meyer (USA)


Really I shouldnt release it, however I dont think SAW will survive anymore, from certian things I've herd...

Oh thats also available on CASA's website registration's

enter: SWO or SKX (in the VH-*** section just for those who dont know)

sthaussiepilot

seems like you know alot about SAW. Work for them or didnt make the grade or ...?

Can you inform us all how you seem to know?

Sky surfer

why waist your time...remember what pprune stands for...rumour and s*h*t stiring.

sounds like a very disgruntled person however :) :E

Nope point isnt valid I am afraid

You don't get to lease big ticket items like aircraft if you are a financial lightweight. And you don't run something as expensive as an aviation operation at what must be a loss for two years if you are not serious. So far, they seem to have paid all their bills. If they hadn't, I am sure these forums would be buzzing with it by now. The fact that no-one seems to know much about them is encouraging, after all the hype and bull surrounding some other operators who mouth off with grand plans but then don't deliver the goods. Or who lay off staff, fold the operation, dud the creditors etc when it does not make an instant buck.
But, as someone else said, a start-up is no place for pilots who are risk-averse. Neither is leaving an established position with an overseas airline to join a big company at the bottom of the seniority list a good move for those with debts to service. Even the great Qantas has been known to lay off pilots in a downturn.

Ah the advantages of employees.... information passed from managment aswell,

Also :p disgruntled? not in the least, I like the company, and most of the people in it, however I am being realistic, the current business model just cant withstand the current fuel prices, and with the current RPT's and suggested RPT's, its just not workable, not with the few amount of aircraft, how they are obtained, and other costs, its just a matter of money,
I like the company, I would love to see it succeed.... but unfortuantly, I cant see this as a reality, with RPTs it might make it as a Charter Airline with modifications to charter prices etc...

Good luck to SAW, really hope they last, but it has be said that they must have lost a largish SHEDLOAD of money on the two HIR ventures.

Using a E170 on that route could never be considered as a good business plan.

Eventually the backers will want a return on the money, and you would have to think that the HIR venture set it all back somewhat.

And that wouldn't be a rumour or ****e stiring!!

omg!
 

another bitch fight on pprune...shock horror.

DJ1989

this doesn't even classify as a pprune bitch fight, in majority it is full of fact.

Hardly worthwhile using up your first post on this thread.

he is 19 & female, what more can you say?

"Slap me silly Biatch!"

Actually...I'd like to say thanks to all !

on a positive note, you guys have helped me - and others, I guess - a lot.

It's always a tough thing to descide on limited information whether or not to throw your hand in, and move back to Oz for a seemingly rosey position.

What some of you forget - being somewhat in-touch with the environment back home- is that there are folks who only get the spindoctors view. Well, that's me...my wife, and my kids.

I see how this may end if I take the job, and we realise now that it's not worth the gambol.

You fellows may have saved me more than you know.

Thanks again

Yes champ, it is. SAW is in the same line of work as Alliance, NJS, Ozjet, etc (smaller operators). If any of these companies lose a mining contract, for example, jobs will go. If any of them gain one, quick upgrades happen ie. higher risk = higher reward. This is rather different to VB, J*, QF which while they might experience steady growth, don't tend to have the overnight "booms".

A saw somewhere that the Solomon want them to build a resort or something if they are to conduct flights in and out. From what i have read, they are STILL looking into it. Are they really in the financial position to fund such a venture?

It all come about because the government felt as though they were taking it away from the national carrier

solomonstarnews.com - SkyAirWorld moves ahead on domestic flights here

Technically yes, they are in a position to do this, but only if they were at least 90% sure that it would fill enough seats, and on what days...

Operating a single engine aircraft on that route would (In my opinion) be a rather bad idea, using something more like a King Air, Beech 1900D, Cheifton, or to a lesser extend a 404Titan, would probably be a better choice... (open to better suggestions etc)

However, Its probably not a sensible idea to expand right now, SAW needs to get the current RPT's undercontrol, and place its feet in one place for now, Australia or Solomon Islands, you can make regional routes in Aus, and Solomons when your heading into financial troubles....



As for the resort, this is the first I have herd about it, and I think it could be a very good idea, it could work out very nicely if they play their cards right...:ok: