All Civil Air members can check their email or look at the member forum for an update.

Observation of Human Nature
 

This thread was used to garner support from the wider Industry to assist in getting a better deal for ATCs.

Now that there appears to have been a good outcome ... it's become secret squirrel stuff ...

Fair enough if there's a secrecy clause attached to the EBA ... but I'm sure those who've gone in to bat for ATCs are due some sort of explanation of the outcome.

Is that not a reasonable request ?

I would certainly be interested, as we're at contract negotiation time, and are hearing the "Economic Climate" thing.........

I don't believe there is any secrecy - there is just prudent discretion until the (still draft) agreement has been approved by government.

Little point in debating the pro's and con's if it is not to be approved in the first place.

Civil Air members will be able to read about where things are at in their latest email from the office, or on the website forum, posted last night.

The trolls will have to wait a while.

What's the big deal?
 

My association is keeping me updated. There are issues around the legal process that make it prudent to wait until sign off is achieved before letting the wider community know what's what.

All members have access to the deal in detail now if they see their delegate. Those that aren't members can ask their managers. What Airservices is doing with the draft agreement is up to them.

I'll wait.

DNC

All I can say about the offer is that the way you can tell that it has actually been negotiated is that neither side got everything they wanted. :mad: :{:sad:

Mute WC
 

Wellconcerned,

Where are you??

I am sure a man of your connections would have read all about the offer, and be keeping us up to date!!

Why are you so silent? Your not on holidays, out of internet reach are you?
How many ALMs are or leave from Melbourne at the moment......:ooh:

BTW, I have seen the offer, and am satisfied, but not over the moon.

Oh so true but that is negotiation

DNC

No one got what they wanted? I thought that was the litmus test of CA negotiation.

Look the offer is at a point where it is at least reasonable now - I just wish that we hadn't wasted so much time getting to this point. All of that agro being dragged through the media for nothing.... for TFN to come to the table at the 11th hour with suggestions that Civil Air had come up with months ago...

I am looking forward to this CA being done and dusted so we can focus on some of the real problems of the place... the CA was a poorly run shamozol of a process but the real problems have far deeper roots.

The CA will not solve the staffing shortage.

...And the CA has always been a "shamozol" ever since it was known as a CA.

That can complement the no t-shirts rule for Regional Services about to be implemented in Melbourne. Or sports scores to the pilots - it's unprofessional:rolleyes:.

"QLK1022, my manager advises that it is unprofessional to pass on scores and that I am not allowed to do it. Australia may be 3 for 256, but that cannot be confirmed".:}

I have no desire to troll. You guys have come up with a deal, apparently, and now it needs government ratification (presumably), if I understand the process.

I'd just like to say that I admire the professionalism exhibited by your union and by the members. No back-biting, no advertisement of what the proposed agreement may be, no bitching about the outcome - and no skyting.

Whatever the outcome, and I hope it's in your best interests, you have displayed exemplary restraint.

As for the rest of us out here in aviation land, we'll stand by to stand by. It's none of our business and, if the details are eventually released, then that's all fine a beaut. If not, it's none of our business anyway.

It's between you guys and your employer. Keep it that way until it's nailed down. If it's publically releasable afterwards, then fine. If not, that's also fine. The bottom line is "Don't feed the trolls."

some of our fiddlers would leave andre reiu for dead! Although the scene from deliverance also springs to mind for some reason :ouch: (and I know that it was a banjo in the movie - before any 'anoraks' out there point it out)

Heard some Airservices staff are holding a stopwork meeting Friday?

What services affected?

Friday Stopwork
 

The Techs are taking industrial action this Friday from 1300 to 1700L.
That means if anything breaks during that period it aint going to get fixed.

This is in support of the Corporate Agreement, and has nothing to do with the ATC agreement, which is very close to being finalised.

Andre Reiu
 

UVATC,

Anyone would leave Andre Reiu for dead - tanning salon ponce.

As for Deliverance, I think the scene where the fat guy gets introduced to "southern hospitality" might be more appropriate with respect to how your "betters" might be rewarded. Specifically, for their efforts in taking so long to come to a deal that may have been achievable months ago.

Industrial Action - Friday
 

Blind Freddy,

Open you eyes and SEEEEEEEE......

Techs in ML, BN and SY and Ausfic.

Ausfic going will take out:

Domestic HF
International HF
Flightwatch VHF discrete frequencies
Briefing office
Notam office
AFTN message communications centre

but hey, you knew all that right???? :hmm:

i CAN seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Ybbb C2141/09
Brisbane International Hf Network Sp-6 Communications Fis
And Inflight Emerg Response Not Avbl Due Industrial Action
A Limited Monitoring Svc For Emerg Calls Is Avbl.
Regional Network Message Handing Iaw Icao Annex 10 Will Apply.
From 03 270300 To 03 270700

Ybbb C2142/09
Brisbane International Hf Networks Sea-3 And Ino-1 Delays May Be
Experienced
In The Provision Of International Hf Aeronautical Mobile
Communications Fis And Inflight Emerg Response Due Industrial Action.
From 03 270300 To 03 270700

Ybbb C2143/09
Discrete Flightwatch Vhf And Domestic Hf Not Avbl
Third Party Aeronautical Mobile Communications Fis And Inflight
Emergency Response On Discrete Flightwatch Vhf And Domestic Hf As Per
Ersa Gen-fis Not Avbl Due Industrial Action.
A Limited Monitoring Svc For Emerg Calls Is Avbl

Svc Avbl On Fia Freqencies

Sartime Svc Avbl On 1800 814 931
From 03 270300 To 03 270700

Ybbb C2144/09
Pilot Briefing Service And Submission Of Flight Notifications Via
Fax And Phone Not Avbl Due Industrial Action
Briefing And Submission Of Flight Notification Via The Internet Avbl

Sartime Ser Avbl On 1800 814 931
From 03 270300 To 03 270700

You see, they DO have a phrase for industrial action in a NOTAM

I guess all the airspace/tower closures and delays must really have been due "Staff Shortage" and "Staff Availability" after all!