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mcgrath50 11th Aug 2011 02:23

It was with QF, although for the 737-400 (or possibly 800) over wing exits that are more pop out windows than doors, maybe that makes a difference? The exit row wasn't available when I assigned a seat online but was at the terminal self check in.

onetrack 11th Aug 2011 02:27


The subjection of ALL pilots to an instrument check when they all had valid instrument ratings is illegal. They will have to defend this in the future in a court of law
What a pile of rubbish! The basis of any licencing system that issues authority to control major transport equipment of any ilk, where intensive skills and knowledge are required... be it aeroplanes, trains, ships, or what have you... is based on those skills being checked on a regular basis to ensure proficiency, and that bad habits are not creeping in.

Despite CASA's deplorable record, in this case they have done the right thing and gone through Tiger with a dose of salts and smartened them right up. Two recorded basic-airmanship failure events, and possibly more that were not discovered, were indicative of a poor environment in Tiger, starting from the CEO on down... that if left without intervention, almost certainly had the potential for a major aviation disaster, along the lines of the Transair Metroliner crash.
The culture, the training, and the skills of any major transport organisation has to be under regular and independent scrutiny, and I for one, am glad that CASA exercised their authority in this case.

Okie 11th Aug 2011 02:53

The cause of the bozo's inability to execute a missed approach on the A320 and the FO's inability to remember the proper calls as the plane sunk to 38' was attributed to the lack of proper training. I don't recall that airline's entire pilot force resitting their instrument rating sims. A pilot's ratings are his own and have nothing to do with a company's AOC. If you revoke a pilot's rating by letter and then require a retest; yes. That was not done.

Capt Claret 11th Aug 2011 03:02

A news report in FNQ (probably ABC) suggested that poor record keeping by management meant that CASA could not determine with confidence the IR & PROF currency of the tech crew, and so ordered all back to the sim. :ooh:

Icarus2001 11th Aug 2011 03:19


A pilot's ratings are his own and have nothing to do with a company's AOC.
The rating may well be "our own" but if they are issued by a company check pilot under CAR217 approval and a CASA delegation for the ATO then it sits well and truly under the whole AOC system. If the record keeping is lacking then what CASA required makes sense.

Phalanger 11th Aug 2011 04:17

Okie, even if there was not an already reasonable legal way for CASA to do what they did, the government could simple pass a statutory law approving the past actions. This has been done before, and as long as the law is within the executive powers of the crown then there is no issue with using this course of action. This is what was done during the Tampa crisis.

Of course someone could try to challenging this action, but considering the power of licensing is well within the executive power of the crown, and that the public interest in the safety and abilities of a pilot well outweighs the small intrusion, the case would not see the light of day.

Di_Vosh 11th Aug 2011 04:29

From what I have heard from a mate at Tiger, Claret is close to the money here. There may be a bit more to it; possibly best described as "deficiencies in the Sim matrix".

DIVOSH!

Lookleft 11th Aug 2011 06:34

So based on second hand info and a report from a media outlet posted on an anonymous bulletin board you have worked out where the problem with Tiger's training program is - impressive :ok:

Di_Vosh 11th Aug 2011 06:48

Lookleft Right back at me! :}

DIVOSH!

wheels_down 13th Aug 2011 09:57

So have the punters returned?

I hear flights are capped at 144....

elrehab 13th Aug 2011 12:06

Just curious to know what routes tiger has cancelled, what are their destinations now?. Also, have they closed the avalon base?

1a sound asleep 13th Aug 2011 12:07

MEL-SYD-MEL

PoppaJo 14th Aug 2011 04:40

Fri night full, tonight also full. Everything else is in the 30s. :(

Icarus2001 14th Aug 2011 04:49


Just curious to know what routes tiger has cancelled, what are their destinations now?.
Did you even look?

Tiger Airways

Just a little sad.

Welcome back boys and girls.

Sunstar320 14th Aug 2011 07:50

This is one good capture!

JetPhotos.Net Photo » YMML Ramp Airport by Mehdi Nazarinia

Howard Hughes 14th Aug 2011 10:39

Three cheers for the QF crew who gave a "welcome back Tiger" on Sydney Tower frequency last night!:D

PPRuNeUser0161 15th Aug 2011 11:21

HH
Yeah you never know maybe before too long the Tiger guys will be the higher paid!

SN

porch monkey 15th Aug 2011 13:04

You don't actually believe that do you?

my oleo is extended 15th Aug 2011 16:37

I for one thought The Screaming Skull looked very dapper in his red power tie when making the announcement that The Cub was back in the air ! A bit different to his usual look of Hawaiin shirt and Nutty Professor hairstyle he usually sports around the corridors of Fort Fumble.

B772 16th Aug 2011 10:09

Rumour has it there were many complaints in submissions to the Reserve Bank Payments Systems Board inquiry about price gouging of credit card fees by Tiger. The complaints ranged from fees of 15% to 28%.

BTW. What is the new Tiger spoilage fee ?.


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