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Third world stuff.

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Welcome to Australia........Framers of term "the bottom of the barrel"...Disgraceful....

I don't have a problem with the action so much (from what I hear the CEO or 'high-level' managers within Tiger have treated Flt Ops with disdain).

What I do object to is CASA pulling this action right at the start of the school holidays? This causes maximum inconvenience to the public.

Why Now?

Why not 1 week ago or in 2 week's time?

CASA did the same thing with Compass Mk 1. They pulled the AOC and thereby caused the collapse of the airline a few days before Christmas, over alleged non-payment of airways fees (a mirky issue that took years to actually substantiate/settle).

There was a well-organised plan to stitch Compass up, orchestrated by the commercial opponents of Compass and with the full assistance of many authorities and individuals who should have been impartial. A very unsavoury collusion between private enterprise and the government.

Why the hell do that a few days before Christmas other than to maximise passenger inconvenience and decimate the brand?

So I have no doubt that Tiger need an almighty kick up the bum.

What does make me concerned is the timing of CASA's action. Deja Vu?

Al,

From memory they stitched up Ansett's 767's right on Easter time too. I question the timing of this as well.

Taken from the ESIR the aircraft was some 8nm south of AV when it descended to A015. This seems well outside circling areas and rightly caused concern about the intentions of the aircraft...

BTW Avalon airspace after tower hours is now E down to A007 AGL and G below, so all actions basically except landing require ATC clearance. Obviously departing from a cleared level is a minor point when compared with IFR below LSALT at night...

No easy fix for Tiger, engineers say
 

AIRCRAFT engineers say Tiger Airways' safety problems won't be easily fixed and the budget airline could be grounded for weeks.
Tiger's domestic flights were on Saturday grounded for a week by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) because of safety concerns, disrupting the travel plans of thousands of passengers.


Tiger's cheap airfares had created a "race to the bottom'' that was making things tougher on other airlines, said the federal secretary of the Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA), Steve Purvinas.
He said defects on planes should be routinely reported to engineers, but this was difficult at Tiger because they didn't have their own in-house engineers.


Read more: No easy fix for Tiger, engineers say | News.com.au

Priapism, Your recollection is correct. Ansett's groundings were:

• Saturday 23 December 2000 - 7 767s grounded due to missed structural inspections.
• Tuesday 10 April 2001 - 3 767s grounded (by the airline?) due to pylon cracks.
• Easter Thursday 12 April 2001 - entire fleet of 10 767s grounded due to missed service inspections and an aircraft flying with deactivated emergency exit slides.

Just seen the Tiger 3pm update. They are in denial of the implications of the grounding. They believe they will be back in the air at 6am on Sat 9 July.

The CASA grounding is until further notice. I expect CASA to apply to the Federal Court early in the week to extend the grounding until they finalise their investigation and place some operating conditions on Tiger. This could take some time. I do not think CASA will be in any hurry due to the contempt shown by Tiger.

The Senate enquiry has had some impact on CASA and I would expect Jetstar to be under the microscope next.

Good luck you Tiger blokes and gals. A great worry for you all, hope it all goes ok.

Check your regs boys and girls
 

Interesting but dangerous advice here regarding navigation in the circuit/circling area.

Bloggs... No way. A pax RPT jet in Australia would NOT be able to use Night VFR procedures when Vis is greater than 5km. The Ops Manual should not allow it. Minimum standard is IFR.

Other's... Missed approach with immediate turn to join downwind - computer says no.. cough...

Have a good read of CAR 178(4). Once you start a go-around you are not taking off or landing so option (a) is gone. Then you must comply with (b), (c), (d) or (e). Last I read the AIP there was no procedure describing a turn into the circuit area after a missed approach so that knocks (b) on the head. (d) is day only. (e) is no good unless radar vectored in CTA.

The winner is (C). Stay on the instrument procedure. I hope someone doesn't correct me because I'm too old to start hero maneuvers after a missed approach. K.I.S.S. works for me.

Conspiracy theory?

Latest incident happened Thursday night. Grounding the next day?
Makes perfect logic.

So, can someone tell me the difference in standards between Qantas long haul, Qantas short haul, Jetstar (Qantas), Virgin, Strategic and Lion?

And should we add Cobram, Skywest and no doubt one or two others?

Our Airline should step in and take over the lot!! ;):ok:

oo, ill have a go facts underrated.

ENR 1.5-1.10.1 paragraph d.

Specifically states an instance where one is conducting a runway aligned approach, but is then unable to effect a landing on the associated runway. It goes on to state that circling from this position is permitted so long as weather conditions are equal to or better than those specified for circling.

My interpretation of this is that I'm able to fly an ILS, then if I decide I have too much tailwind, break off the approach, climb on track to the circling minima, and then circle from there. Whether that's a good idea or not in an A320 I couldn't say, but I don't think its illegal.

I'd copy paste the exact paragraph but im not near any regs at the moment.

There is nothing stopping a crew briefing that in the event the tail wind for RWY 18 ILS is too much then we will maintain 1000' or even 1500' and break off to join downwind for the other runway. Not technically conducting a go around only now a circling approach off the ILS.
Quite legal, safe and practical.

It takes a little thought ( FCU modes etc ), pre planning and appropriate briefing so all the crew are in the loop. :ok:

If you need ATC clearance then obviously pre warning/asking them would greatly help.;)


At the end if the day if you're not sure, or you get caught out then keep it simple and fly the published, engage AP and take a breath before making your next move.

Am I missing something here? I have been making night VFR circuits for years with ATC permission and direction. HBA, LST, MKY, etc. Are you telling us they are illegal, "facts overrated"?

Welcome to Prune.

178 has no relevance in the/this visual circuit scenario. The Instrument Approach segment has finished IAW with the rules for conduct of a Visual Approach after an Intrument Approach.

You'd better tell Nitpicker to stop doing his ILS>Breakoff for circuit opposite direction at Foo Koo Oh Kar then...

Should ops manuals allow it? That is an entirely different matter.

Circling onto the other runway is fine.... but not from below the circling minima.

What configuration do you guys intend to be at for a runway approach at the circling minima? If you are not in the standard configuration for circling according to your SOP's then you have a problem. Or are you planning to take landing flap and checklist somewhere between circling minima and straight in minima if it looks all right?

All sounds like hero stuff to me. Next time you have a simulator at hand try going over the top and doing a reversal. It takes less time than you think and on some types burns less fuel than flying the circuit.

AIP at 10 paces...
Here's a link to the ENR section in case you don't have it handy. Page 160 in my reader is where all the fun starts, Cut'n'paste away.

Quite a challenging approach left circuit for 34 in FUK at night with a strong gusty bumpy wind. :ok: Even worse doing it in the command LOFT, 1 Eng in marginal circling WX :oh:

It is in the CASA SOP's. Put there by the former ex CX CASA CEO and his media brain child.

Remember CASA is so insignificant that it has to to spectacular things to be recognised!!

No. How did you descend into the circuit area? You have to have a way of getting there IAW CAR 178. Its cryptic but there should be an answer.

In Australia 178 applies for every moment during an IFR flight below LSALT/MSA/MVA. You must comply and night VFR procedures are no good to an RPT operator.