Merged: QF 777s and other rumours
 

Strong rumours starting to swell about QF finally getting with the program and ordering the 777. The rumouree didn't suggest a time frame but other's line of thinking indicates a relative hurry- by early to mid next year seems to be the common consensus although some have them arriving towards the end of this year (hence the late closures of the aircraft promotional bids but this doesn't sound right to me!). ILFC is said to be the source of the airframes and seven to ten is the approximate number.

Classics to be held onto despite the 777s coming although that could change on a moments notice.

Reports of up to 85 S/Os wanted in a hurry but only 35 'approved' (by whom I have no idea) at the moment.

5 737NGs currently on order to be expansion rather than replacement for the -400s.

Source is a mate who heard his wife discussing it with the wife of his uncle's brother in law who heard it mentioned on some other forum! :E :ok: Beyond that I accept no responsibility for the accuracy of the above information. None of it is from my normal sources and most QF drivers will have heard minor variations on the theme over the last month or so.

Classics to go by the end of 2008 apparently.

My source is similar to your source.

Cheers Mr Keg

Once again you've outdone yourself and I've enjoyed reading your post.

My letter (from QF) says 'There may be an opportunity for your file to progress in November 2007'....

Hopefully see you there soon bud

2p2d :ok:

It sounds exciting but seems the &&& rumour comes round every 6 months or so for the last 3 or 4 years...........allways about to place an order but never seems to eventuate,

I thought all the production slots for the 777 were taken or did QF buy some from another airline?

Or are we rumoured to be leasing existing aircraft from someone?

There are 32 unidentified orders this year for 777 (10 of which appear to be quite recently added).

As for leasing firms:
ILFC have 10 x 777-300ER still to be delivered
GECC have 18 x 777 undelivered

My point: I suggest up to 10 airframes could be secured at reasonably short notice.

But... if the end-of-year schedule is correct - isn't this a bit tight in terms of fleet integration? - Not only for crew training (both tech and CC) but engineering (such as is left :hmm:), flight ops, manual-writing, etc.; unless they're coming in on wet-lease?

Keg, it's not a rumour.

In Geoff Dixon's recent address to investors ( can still be heard via podcast ) he quite openly said that he was meeting with Airbus that afternoon to discuss the A350XWB and the following week Greig was to meet with Boeing to discuss their proposal. The Boeing competitor is the 777-300ER.

Surely with the big 787 order, the A350 couldn't be on the cards???

B777-300ER however is another matter - the aircraft is already in service, could be brought in at (relatively) short notice and has significant additional capacity over the 787s. Perfect 743 replacement (indeed also 744) in fact.

I must say (from a pax point of view here, I might add) I generally prefer the Airbus products, but in this case, I don't see them having much chance. But hey, when was anything cut and dry in aviation?

737-400's
 

Heard 4 will be converted to freighters next year and the others kept as pax to challenge tiger and e jets

When you look at the cost saving benefits when comparing the 777 and the 747-400 its a no brainer. Uses almost half the fuel (not quite) but can carry around 70% the pax. This latest rumour seems to be more serious than the last 57 ones that have come before! haha!

Anyone spoken to the townsville refueller to get the latest on this one?

Wouldn't that be his mum? :E

:D :D Nice rumor though!

747 Classics - Gooooone by early 2008

777 great idea and I for one would like to see it but there is no way engineering would support an introduction of a new type of this size at the moment. The training and tooling component alone combined with the introduction of the A380 would stretch what is left of the maintenace dept.
As it is the QF heirarchy is threatening to take the A380 maint away from QF engineering :ok:

Bolty

That negative assumption about sums up the difference between working for an OZ airline or one of their overseas competitors. If management properly rewarded their staff (motivation) and staff believed in their own abilities (capability). Then I am sure Qantas could give this a good crack.

The Australian regulators are another matter.:ugh:

Keg
 

Received a briefing from engineering QS&RM (Quality Systems & Risk Management) around compliance and procedures amongst other things for LAME's recently.

One of the presenters is actively involved in A/C acquisitions and disposals from a QA perspective and he repeatedly stated that QF are getting B777's "soon". :ok:

No mention of how many and wasn't prepared to elaborate.:ugh:

Boys and girls

i just saw a good rumor written on the inside a brasco at qcc.it reckons that GD has made an offer for all the old concordes and a stack of 1011's sitting out in the desert.then the taxi driver on the way to cronulla confirmed this because he knows someone who works in catering who's sister in law has a relative who works in GD's office.

QF B777's......;) perhaps no need to worry about CC training or pax configuration ???
Role on..

What about some DECs for the 777..............

Alien Role..

I'm just curious as to why QF would not have to worry about CC training if they bought 777's.

Lowerlobe,
Freight perhaps....? :E

Keg, rumour I keep hearing is 10 777-300er to go to Dallas, Dubai and Beijing. Although I did hear the rumour at La Cave ... or was it Fatties ... or Fight Club?!?

Slight diversion, but when do the BA 767s return home (or have they already)?

It appears QF will be keeping the ex BA 767s for quite a while yet - at least 2011 I think - they will probably be the last 767s that QF operate, with plans to dispose of the original QF 767s before then.

Then again, that may change, after all this is an outfit that still operates 743s!:E

BA 767's
 

The 'gos late last year was that the lease was renewed to 2012.

The majority of 76 flying now seems to be domestic - obviously that will have to be covered off before they go. My guess is that they will be around for sometime yet.

I believe that the ex-BA 767's were built around 1992 - there are a number of GE powered B763's that were built later than that so I don't think that the Rollers will be the last. They'll probably go when the lease runs out. It will be hard for the owners to find a new lessor as there aren't many carriers operating 767's fitted with RR engines. The GE's will be a lot easier to dispose of with some of the American carriers planning to hold on to 767's for quite a few years yet.

Back to the original thread - It was reported on Qrewroom that Peter Gregg at one of the recent Roadshows stated that they were currently looking at both B777's and A350XWB for delivery from 2012 onwards. Apparently, there was nothing mentioned about early deliveries of the Tripler.

Them old Roller 767's are easy to spot, they are grubby damn things. Probably flogged to within an inch of their lives too!:uhoh:

SQ6969

Boeing are still working on the B777-200ELR for QF. The latest initiave to reduce weight is the elimination of the window shade.

Since Virgin Atlantic announced their plan to operate LHR-PER-LHR nonstop QF has realised nonstops to LHR are the only weapon to fight the M.E carriers with.

Like it or hate it nonstops to Europe are coming.

would they consider ordering 5 or 6 non -er -300's to replace the 743's

Heard that the NRT's are going to be done by LH again. Anyone know why? It is suprising that SH don't do all of them since the company was saving so much money??

that's seems true. The new LH bid books are full of them. Some are combined with a LAX trip.... something like SYD/NRT/MEL/LAX/SYD. Will stand corrected if i'm wrong though!

Can't for the life of me wonder why???

Surely its worlds best airline practice to employ HUNDREDS of culturally sensitive language speakers [many of whom are native] and send them NOWHERE NEAR the destination they were ORIGINALLY employed to service.................:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Speed... Unfortunately, that doesn't mean much to the accountants. The has to be another reason. :}

Yeah, couldn't be anything to do with "customer satisfaction".

The concept doesn't rate highly enough at the rat.........

maybe jitconnex has some play here mr coke guy. cheers gigs

So Keg,are you the Australian rep for Boeing,or are you getting a cut is a sale does ever happen?What is your percentage?

Or is this a case of if you start a good enough rumour,it will come true?:ok:

Bug-a-lugs, it's more a case of "if you say it often enough eventually it'll be true". :D :p

Another part of the rumour passed onto me in the last day or so suggest that various management personnel (including the training department) have just returned from Seattle in very recent times. I'm not sure if QF have sold the rights to the 777 sim they had on order a couple of years back or not. (Apparently getting a sim is a longer lead in then getting an airframe and so QF had an order in for a 777 a few years ago! :eek: )

I wish I had a percentage....I'd go for 50% of whatever the CEO is on! :mad:

One of the reasons QF always complains about not making money on routes that they only have rights to for 3-4 (CDG, ROM etc) times a week, is that a B744 is not economical.

Other airlines in Asia which also have access 3-4 times a week to these destinations, mainly use the B777 on these routes. These airlines are either bleeding cash, or because of the equipment they use it makes it economical for them.

I think the decision to not get the 777 for this type of thing has been a mistake on management's behalf for quite a while now. Instead they have shrunk QF and because they have been out of some markets for many years now, it may be hard to build that up again.

I thought QF and AF are pleased with the joint operation between France and Oz, through SIN, so much so that they have added HKG as a transfer point. This is much better than both airlines flying between France and Australia two or three times a week.

The same way of operating could be used for QF Italy services. Alitalia has a nice fleet of 777s, and they could connect onto the QF network at BKK, SIN or HKG. But, Alitalia gave up flying to Asia years ago.


I cannot see that a Jetstar operation would be the answer, because surely an operation to Italy or Greece would want to fly through SIN to allow connections from PER/BNE/ADL. If Jetstar operated it, they would still need QF flight numbers to allow the connections, and you would have the confusions as to which people have to pay cash for their meals and entertainment.

The new QF A330-200s would be a nice way to travel to Europe, though.

alangirvan
That's why QF already code share with CX to Rome through Hong Kong.

Yeah, but you might as well do the whole trip on CX and get 'the best Chinese food in the air'. You get QF FF points on CX. Putting QF passengers onto a major competitor seems like a very strange way of doing business.