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This has nothing to do with the 777 technology. This has got to do with the fact that QF only need a gap-filling machine. Both J* and QF have 330s in operation. Aditional numbers require only a few extra staff, and minimal training slots (second sim due August, I believe).

Introducing a new type would need more than 'gap-filling' justification.

Point taken Munt but 330's won't get One star to the US and a significant delay in arrival of 787-9 might prove the Tripler a better option for the Orange future.

Unless they are a gift from Air India, Jet Airways, Cathay, Singapore or Emirates, l don't think so....

halas

Compensation?
 

Skysurfin':

Maybe the compensation runs to a good deal on (like that hasn't been done before... ) or possibly covering any incremental costs (eg. training, maint) in running a new type?

Boeing have been itching for years to shift some 777s to QF (group). They could probably make production/delivery slots if need be, by ramping up production by an airframe or so a month; God knows the 747 line is at a trickle, and the 787 line now won't be ramping up for a while, freeing up some space and labour. It'd be a good way to make up for the delayed revenue due the delayed 787 deliveries. Also the loss of the 767 tanker contract means the space for that line isn't as crucial now.

I'd suggest there would also be a few carriers with big orders happy to reassess a slot or two as they cope with rising fuel prices and too few drivers (as gets regularly aired on PPRuNe).

Everett certainly isn't the same place it was ten years ago, when they were churning three models of wide-bodies out at a rate of knots.

Actually thinking a bit more about it, a few 777 frames in short order would make good sense if they replaced the 743s. There would also be no shortage of secondary-market takers amongst mid-ranking 777 operators who would like a few more frames but can't swallow the new-build cost - some well-maintained 5-y-o efforts would be perfect. Compensation by way of a leasing package (possibly ACMI if it's a relatively short period) from BAT could be just the ticket.

Iron Bar

I think there is a strong chance of a wind up there.....:=

How good are your sources there mate?

After requesting a walk along the 777 line today (evening there) no J* tails to be seen.

The closest resmbling it was a Candian Maple Leaf, or maybe a UPS unit:rolleyes:.

Now there maybe some coming but it was not on the line tonight!

J:ok:

According to FLIGHT, Boeing are proposing new build 767-300ERs as an interum, as the production line is geared up for the 767 tanker projest that went to EADS instead.

...and despite the fact that any expenditure on aircraft or leases has to be reported to the Australian Stock Exchange! No no no, not happening.

If you want timely, accurate information about a company like QF you need look no further than asx.com.au

http://www.asx.com.au/asx/markets/Pr...1&ASXCodes=qan

Let's try to involve the facts in these discussions :8

request deferred - you quite havn't hit the nail on the head with your statement.

You can still actively look / seek and state neg on aircraft without informing ASX ,its until you put pen to paper

My post was in reference to the claim that a 777 was already in Jetstar colours ; not happening unless reported to Stock Exchange.

I agree that a company can ' look but don't touch ' any time it wishes otherwise deals would never be made.......:)

you dont have to report everything to the stock exchange, things have happened before........

Now to point out that Qantas has several operating companies that are not listed on stock - exchange..........

The results can be endless

So whats the big deal anyway?
Jetstar is or was scheduled to receive the first 15 787's. Right?
So now rumour has it that they are going to be 777's.
Big F....ing deal.

Obvious someone didnt get the bean waxed last night!

My understanding is that a number of years ago QF actually did reserve some slots on the 777 production line and put down some coin for them. I don't know for how many (10-15 springs to mind as a way that QF ordered aircraft four or five years ago) and I don't know when they're due (but a time frame from 2010 doesn't seem unreasonable) and it'd be pretty damned easy to sell them on to someone else should QF decide to not proceed.

Still, the 777 is 'old technology'. We couldn't possibly buy them when we still have the 767s to fly around for the next six or seven years! :ok:

I just couldn't help but pull out the popcorn whilst having a gander at this thread and the somewhat hopeful yet unsustained input from (some) gullible posters...

Keep the capital "RU" in PPrune please folks, it's a hoot to observe how quickly the fish are biting around these parts... :D

Having said that, geez we could do with a few of dem Big Balus' Mom... :ok:

BR

Had confirmed last night there are no 777's in the manufacturing schedule for QF or J*. So do not get your hopes up.

There are unidentified orders, as there is for every model, so you could speculate on those, but don't put any money on them.:ok:

Keg, you need to keep them old 767's........what would you drive otherwise???? An A330?:eek:

J:ok:

The 777s are old RR models boeing has from an operator that does not need them anymore.

an operator that doesnt want 777's anymore..... Cho watchya been smokin?>

Ahhhhhhhh ex British Airways :eek:

J:ok:

If there's any truth in what Scooter R. says, then that backs up my theory that 777s may be offered by Boeing Aircraft Trading (BAT) as compensation for the 787 delays. BAT would rather offer airframes than have to shell out actual coin, it keeps those airframes in the air rather than at Victorville (so keeping parked fleet numbers down) and gets the type into QF colours (at last) hopefully with a view (in Boeing's mind) to them loving them and the type sticking by way of a new-build order. I doubt Boeing have completely given up on getting the Rat to take a few for Aust-UK non-stops (different variant, obviously, but it'd be a start).

Jaba,

BA have frequently said how much they love 777s, they've said they'd love to 1:1 replace their 744s for 777s and their older airframes are GE, not RR, so if it's RRs on offer from BAT, they're unlikely to be -236s.

There are no 777s showing on Planemart; but out of interest in the 707 section, msn 18808 is up for sale and that is the former VH-EBN 'City of Parramatta'. Hope the old girl doesn't get tin-canned... :{

Likewise there are no 777s listed on Boeing's own availability site but that's not to say that they list everything...

Singapore AL - would they be retiring 777-200ERs with RR, as they take their new 777-300ERs? If Jetstar want planes to fly to Southern Europe before the 787s are available this would be one way to do it. But would JQ want to compete against Singapore, Emirates, Thai, Cathay to Rome with hand me down planes from Singapore?

Bugger competing with everyone else, would you want hand me down SQ 777s full stop! Anecdotal evidence suggests that the term 'discarded' for former SQ aircraft is the correct term! :eek: The advantages of being able to write off your fleet for tax over seven years I guess. It means you don't have to bother maintaining them too well when you've got them.

My other guess was that the 777s could be like the 737-800s that QF took from the Boeing production line that had been allocated to American Airlines. AA also has a fleet of RR 777s. If there are any 777s that AA has not taken, and does not want, those could be available to a nice home, going cheap.

A 777 300ER burns 8t an hour vs the 744's 10t an hour. Carries 400 to 440 pax, same as a 744.
J* have a swag of ex 777 drivers from SQ and a couple from EK, so they can certainly crew them. Plus J8 drivers are cheaper than QF mainline ones.
Dunno, but I reckon J* could see the 777. Soon.

That's another one for the trophy room.
How much does he want?
tell 'im he's dreaming!;)

:bored:
A few months ago Express Freighters Australia a wholly owned Qantas company put to the Qantas board a proposal for 2 777F to replace the 7474F that are operated by Atlas onbehalf of Qantas Freight.
The lease cost blew the proposal out of the water and Atlas was awarded the six year contract. Could this be the 777s that you are talking about?

Alangirvan said:

Gulf do it with ex-SQ 343s (which were bought off SQ by Boeing as a sweetener for SQ to take 777s - you can still see the SQ 'bird' stamped on the metal bits in the loos).

It's not a question of would they 'want' to - rather would it be cost-effective to.

It comes down to the compensation package - if I were Boeing, I'd be offering 777s on ACMI, or throwing in free pilot training (onto 777 then onto 787) plus op & maint costs over & above whatever the performance benchmark in the 787 contract is. Like I said, it gets the 'frames out of the desert (always a bad look) and gets them into a top client where - who knows? - they might stick. Better that, than have them fill Toulouse's coffers further (and the payments for that would just be a straight bank transfer from Boeing to Airbus and that would :{ our friends in Chicago).

It'd be even sweeter for Boeing if they could get a few 'frames into mainline colours.

I wonder.....
 

A quote of GD himself.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...rom=public_rss

I suspect it's all too late now but it's interesting how this one just bursts into life every now and then.

(I certainly claim credit for part of that too...I figure if I keep talking about it, perhaps it'll eventually come true! :ok: :} )

When Airbus announces the official handover date for the Rats first two 380's, aprox 30 days from arrival, they/QF board will announce the signing up of 20 A350's for the "Group". This is my first rumour so be kind!!!!!!!!!:)

this is far and away the best chance for the 773ER to enter the QF fleet.
I don't think QF likes the payload/range figures on the 350-1000 and the 773ER stacks up pretty well in the end, even though Dixon and co embarrassingly have referred to it as old tech.
Something is happening here.

There maybe some V-Australia 777 up for grabs very soon?

Which 777 would be ideal for Qantas/Jetstar? MEL is about 500 miles further away from LAX/SFO than SYD is, so Qantas got the 747-400ER to do the extra 500miles. The A380 is starting on MEL-LAX because of its range ability. Would the 777-200LR be a better plane for MEL-LAX than the 777-300ER? Reports from overseas are that the 777-200LR is proving itself as a freight carrier. Whereas for BNE-LAX the 777-200LR would be overkill for the distance. The older 777-200ER might be the right size for that market. But Qantas would hardly obtain two units of three different versions of the same type. So, which one would be the best compromise if you are only choosing one?

744's are mostly full on that route

From todays Australian:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-23349,00.html

QF will never get those "old technology" B777's.
Same as "there is no money in freight".
CLOWNS !!!!!!! :ugh:

Assuming the 777 (all models) wasn't/isn't given a proper assesment is ignorant. Incidently there are people whos job it is to asses route/equipment combinations for a range of markets based on many factors. The arrogance of some is astounding.

I think you'll find neither 773 or 772 are desirable options for QF on MEL-LAX route. Perhaps if Boeing fits 777s with the GenX or RR engines slated for the (now very much delayed) 787, maybe it would be worth it. I seemed to have read somewhere that Boeing could be considering this very thing. 777-400 anyone?

TG have just announced that they're getting rid of their 4 A345s (pulling out of the non-stop BKK to North America route/s).

Would JQ be able to benefit from the temporary use of those? Not perfect, sure, but at least big, go far, and most importantly, available now.

Also worth mentioning the Airbus 'common flight deck.' Surely it is just another two throttles :ok:

Cat on a PC©
 

I for one would not like to operate a 777 with only 75,000 lbs a side as per the GEnex website. The GE90 is fine except for the odd thrust problem and throwing away the occasional LP blade.

halas

NYC Board Meeting
 

Once The Board Meeting In NYC is concluded and the they have returned home expect an announcement regarding the Triplers.