Aircabbie, a mate of mine left QF for EK, and after 5 yrs in the sun he reckons that it is a ****ty and hot place also! ;)

I suppose the ANZ people going to EK - (that's if they're going - has it been confirmed yet?) - are either the same people who owe their positions in the ANZ hierarchy to being... shall we say 'followersoftyler' (hopefully, that won’t be too cryptic for most pilots in ANZ), or if they're too young to have that dubious label around their woebegone necks, would have been if they'd been on the scene in ANZ at that time.

Aircabbie, I agree with you, don't knock a place until you have tried it...after 6 months you have hardly tried it now have you. If Dubai comes second on your place in the world, what place comes first ?..every where else?? Enjoy the fishing.

I don't think ANZ guys comming to dubai for three year contracts will decrease our T&Cs, in fact it may have the opposite effect.

I was in AKL when the recruiting guys were doing their thing re- roadshow and they said most of the interest came from S/O and F/Os.
At best it is a short term recruiting goal with the slight possibillity that some of them might decide to stay after three years.
It would then follow: that it would be in the best interest of EK to make these guys want to stay and the only way to do that is to pay and treet us all well. They will not be captive and all have good jobs to return to after all.

It is a great opportunity for these guys, we all would have liked the same offer when we came over here. Most pilots in EK enjoy the first few years of life style in the UAE, after that it can get tough for some. Great aircraft and flying with a job back at home when your time is up! or perhaps stay on for the command? :D If things are tough in ANZ and you can't see an end to it any time soon then you really should consider the offer seriously.

Yeah, I can't see a problem with FO's coming. Captains? Well I'd like to see the reaction if I turned up in AirNZ as a DEC on the 777!

Well I'd see this as one of the greatest opportunities available to a Command Pilot - IF IF IF you put a price on your head and see what happens.
Correct me if I'm wrong - Emirates are coming to see me and not vice verca ??
Emirates decline - you still have a job.
Emirates accept - they pay YOUR terms.

The F/o's in Emirates - NO it's not correct, NO it's not fair but that's the ethic of the airline you joined, their ability to recruit the best (THEIR PR crap, not questioning personally) but not have the best training system to upgrade their (selected best!) pilots should be puzzling to anybody of reasonable intellect but seems puzzling to the Emirates management team.
Management and leadership - do not get me started. :( :mad:
Regards to all.

Galdian- What the??????

Emirates does have a good training system, but not enough trainers at the moment apparently.

Galdian, please come you sound like a great bloke......:mad:

xk
rest assured I am not on the way, the sandpit has never attracted me, others think differently and are happy to work there - I hope they enjoy their time and make the most of it. :ok:

MM - no point having a great training system if you do not have enough trainers.
I wouldn't have thought it was rocket science to match up the numbers but appears too difficult for the (your?) management to achieve.

The point is there will be increasing movement of experienced pilots around the world, some airlines will use tactics such as DEC's to "divide and conquer" the troops or because they are just plain incompetent.
You want to shoot the guys who take up opportunities available to them by all means go ahead, I just think you are aiming at the wrong people.

As a PIC you screw up bad enough you will be thrown in gaol.
Management screws up and they........................get promoted. :ugh:
Just doesn't seem right.

xk apologies if I raised your hackels, admittedly I went fishing a bit and got a bigger bite than expected.

Yodawg, he is possibly working on the VB way of calculating wages ( super, o/n allow., working on days off, tax return etc ) :}

yodawg,

do they change the atis- is that what you are saying, to keep the temp less than 50 deg? i dont think so.
What is the wage after May? And before you start I know its not a 20 % rise, but it is more than 19 660. (Even the 19660 is not completely true because you get exchange rate protection on top do you not?)

Mud or Mustard...after May the new joiner F/O will get 19660 plus 6% ie 20840dhs. That is his basic, add some ERP of about 1300 and it is around AUD 7400/month at todays rate. He/she gets that without flying so you could add roughly 78hrs of flying pay to that as well at 35dhs /hr. So we get about AUD8300 per month for around 10 months of the year then AUD 7400/mth for the other two. (You don't fly for 12mths of the year, leave, sims, sickness etc). I'm not an F/O so I stand to be corrected.... as usual. Any overtime is a bonus.

I went to the Show at Sydney. About 50 people including spouces. Relevant points are:

• 280 pilots needed this year
  45 x A380 and 56 x B777 on order.
  3 - 4.5 years to a command
  $36000 bond for 3 years

We asked the HR lady if significant turbo-prop time was allowed and she said outright sorry, we can't help you. Asked the same question to the Captain and he said maybe.

Hope this helps somebody.
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I attended the roadshow in Brisbane. I thought they made it very clear that EK would only employ pilots who had permanently severed ties with their current employer. Even emphasising that written proof of the severed ties be provided.

It was stated that while there was an existing requiremnt for 25 direct entry captains this year, it is company policy to promote from the FO ranks if at all possible. No DEC for next year contemplated (at this stage).

i got the distinct impression that the whole recruitment drive was for Fo's who could reasonably expect promotion to command after completing the first 3 years of service. That EK were about emphasising that a career was available for suitable pilots seeking entry to such a career.

It was stated here also that only jet experienced pilots were of interest to EK.

Turbtool said: Why would they insist ties are permanently severed? That almost implies some level of acrimony.

In most other walks of life, employers are happier to poach an employee from a competitor than to pick up someone who is not currently working - with all the baggage that may or may not go with their apparent "freedom".

Given the current pilot shortage and the so-called full employment in Australia, isn't it rather unrealistic to expect a qualified jet FO to be sitting around with no ties to an employer?

The whole "severed ties" thing sounds like spin to avoid EK being labelled as poachers. The next thing Darth will want is a government ban on EK recruiting in Australia.

Or anywhere else.

Would not the severed ties thing in actual fact mean that you have finished with you current employer. I would imagine they have had a few guys who took long service leave or Leave without pay tried it for a few months and then headed back to their current employer.

OK, so the severed ties might be a final condition precedent to an offer of employment being accepted?

I understood TurbTool's comment to mean they would not even entertain an application to commence the recruitment process unless ties were first demonstrably severed.

I guess that makes more sense. You can apply, and EK will make an offer, and part of your acceptance has to include proof that you've left your previous employer. If that's what it is, that works.

Most Oz airlines also have this reqiurement. Certificate of service will usually suffice.:cool:

EK require you to provide a letter stating you have terminated your employment with your previous employer only after you accept an offer of employment with them. ie. Prior to to commencing your training.
Unless EK have an understanding with a specific airline, such as the Air NZ thing.
I don't think EK has any such understandings with any OZ airlines, so you would have to provide proof of your resignation from your current job prior to starting at EK. All that is required is your letter of termination of employment.