Ex AN pilots now in QF - the cancer within
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Ex AN pilots now in QF - the cancer within
I understand that a number of ex AN pilots, employed by QF over the last 2 yrs have offered to do a 'deal' with QF which would see them restored as Capt's & F/O's, outside of their present seniority (most are still S/O's and none are capts).
This deal involves undercutting the existing hourly rates by 32-36% depending on the aircraft.
Some ex A320 drivers have been manoeurving for a slot on the A330.
One individual has already wormed himself into the training section where he has become a TFO despite only minimal experience in QF.
Overall there are a lot of complaints from guys who IMHO should be grateful they have a job. What do you think would have happened if QF had collapsed and the shoe was on the other foot.
FS
This deal involves undercutting the existing hourly rates by 32-36% depending on the aircraft.
Some ex A320 drivers have been manoeurving for a slot on the A330.
One individual has already wormed himself into the training section where he has become a TFO despite only minimal experience in QF.
Overall there are a lot of complaints from guys who IMHO should be grateful they have a job. What do you think would have happened if QF had collapsed and the shoe was on the other foot.
FS
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Not content with shafting their work colleagues and families 14 years ago, it would appear that these greedy, self-serving parasites are up to their old tricks again, trading in what they have become supremely accomplished at - scabbing!
Fcu
in' lowlifes!!
The majority of the "captains" from that time got their 4 bars the quick and easy way - scabbing during an industrial dispute - and now hope to AGAIN circumvent the established system.
Have AIPA stick a training ban on them, FS. Nip it in the bud.
Fcu
in' lowlifes!! The majority of the "captains" from that time got their 4 bars the quick and easy way - scabbing during an industrial dispute - and now hope to AGAIN circumvent the established system.
Have AIPA stick a training ban on them, FS. Nip it in the bud.
Fartsock
Shoe on the other foot. I think a lot more QF pilots would be in Ansett. Just the nature of the two cultures.
If true, very disappointing, and would vindicate many of the harsh words said on pprune.
You did get a few very ambitious individuals who are used to accelerated career progress. It was a relief that many of the despised managment lackies joined QF and not the hoardes who went abroad.
I did here some of your current sim instructors were confident of of a rapid rise up the ranks. Bit more smoke for you mate.
Shoe on the other foot. I think a lot more QF pilots would be in Ansett. Just the nature of the two cultures.
If true, very disappointing, and would vindicate many of the harsh words said on pprune.
You did get a few very ambitious individuals who are used to accelerated career progress. It was a relief that many of the despised managment lackies joined QF and not the hoardes who went abroad.
I did here some of your current sim instructors were confident of of a rapid rise up the ranks. Bit more smoke for you mate.
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Kaptin M...ever seen 'Dr Phil' on TV? If not, I'd recomend it. He might have some words of wisdom to help you get over "things" and chill out a bit.
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Fartsock,me thinks this to be either sour grapes or a wind up at best.
Judging by the allegations made about deals being done I dont recall anything being mentioned by the AIPA.
Id say the culprits would have their blood spilled on the apron already if what you say is true.
If you feel that badly about it why dont you vent your anger with those that you pay to represent yourself (AIPA if you are a member) rather than gripe and slander someone that applied for the job of a training F/O,was interviewed by the powers that be,assessed and trained by the same and found to be a suitable applicant worthy of carrying out that job.
Dont whinge about it fartsock, but give the details to your AIPA rep who will make the relevant enquiries if they feel you are justified.
Pay cuts for promotions?
I would normally tell you you're dreaming but either way go to the AIPA and sort this out.
Judging by the allegations made about deals being done I dont recall anything being mentioned by the AIPA.
Id say the culprits would have their blood spilled on the apron already if what you say is true.
If you feel that badly about it why dont you vent your anger with those that you pay to represent yourself (AIPA if you are a member) rather than gripe and slander someone that applied for the job of a training F/O,was interviewed by the powers that be,assessed and trained by the same and found to be a suitable applicant worthy of carrying out that job.
Dont whinge about it fartsock, but give the details to your AIPA rep who will make the relevant enquiries if they feel you are justified.
Pay cuts for promotions?
I would normally tell you you're dreaming but either way go to the AIPA and sort this out.
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scabs are in China airlines as well here. these parasites have arrived like a plauge. but the ranks are finally knowing what these bastards did in 89. how in the world can they hold their head up.
Thanks ansett for falling over, now we have these tossers here. check my post
Thanks ansett for falling over, now we have these tossers here. check my post
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Well they're sure as hell acting like ones, MotH.
As Amos said "Lie down with dogs - get up with fleas.......where's that flea powder!!"
Most of those involved in the 1989 punch-up are probably still clutching the letter from Hawke (sent to each of us), telling those who "returned" they would be "the custodians of Australian aviation"
One needs only look at the very fine job they did in taking care of Ansett, East-West, IPEC, and (the original domestic) Australian Airlines aka TAA to see where Oz aviation would be headed, left to them!
As Amos said "Lie down with dogs - get up with fleas.......where's that flea powder!!"
Most of those involved in the 1989 punch-up are probably still clutching the letter from Hawke (sent to each of us), telling those who "returned" they would be "the custodians of Australian aviation"
One needs only look at the very fine job they did in taking care of Ansett, East-West, IPEC, and (the original domestic) Australian Airlines aka TAA to see where Oz aviation would be headed, left to them!
I have done a sim or twowith the above mentioned TFO and found him to be very good. There was some rumour that some ex-ansett SO's whole were rated on the 767 may go to Australian as direct entry Capt as they could not get enough other Qantas pilots with required experience to bid across. However seems academic at the moment as most slots have been cancelled for the near future. Flew with a few ex-Ansett SO's and most are just grateful to have a job rather than trying to shaft others, many even did some GA between Ansett and Qantas, seems some people are just petty and looking for a chance to fight around here.
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One thing that amazes me is that scabs are welcomed into AIPA. They should be banned from membership for industrial treason.
That they seek to benefit themselves at others expense is no surprise. Same MO different company.
That they seek to benefit themselves at others expense is no surprise. Same MO different company.
Kap M,
Arrr!!! So it was Hawkies letter that convinced you to apply for your job back!
As for the rest of this thread- pure, bitter, hateful and completely unsubstantiated BS spread by malcontents who STILL haven't taken responsibility for there own mistakes and gotten on with their lives.
Arrr!!! So it was Hawkies letter that convinced you to apply for your job back!
As for the rest of this thread- pure, bitter, hateful and completely unsubstantiated BS spread by malcontents who STILL haven't taken responsibility for there own mistakes and gotten on with their lives.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
"As for the rest of this thread- pure, bitter, hateful.. ", Wizofoz.
You're probably correct - I doubt that very few Australians would feel anything OTHER than the above....you forgot disgusted...for the underhanded actions of a small group, who are trying to circumvent a system they KNEW was in place, when they applied to, and joined QANTAS, for their own gratification, whilst undermining the entire rest of the pilot workforce.
It was your associate, phnompenkid - with whom you strongly sided, Wizofoz - who quite proudly declared that he didn't care about the repercussions on others on whom he scabbed.
Your last post is further evidence that you and your ilk still find it "surprising" that scab tactics are UNACCEPTABLE.
You really are the misfits of society in general, and the aviation domain in particular!
"..and completely unsubstantiated BS spread by malcontents", Wizofoz.
To the best of my knowledge, Fartsock is a QANTAS pilot who was not involved in 1989 - until the scablike actions of the ex-Ansett pilots now employed in his company were introduced there as well.
In fact gameboy1971, some wharfies are probably BETTER educated than some of us!! 
You're probably correct - I doubt that very few Australians would feel anything OTHER than the above....you forgot disgusted...for the underhanded actions of a small group, who are trying to circumvent a system they KNEW was in place, when they applied to, and joined QANTAS, for their own gratification, whilst undermining the entire rest of the pilot workforce.
It was your associate, phnompenkid - with whom you strongly sided, Wizofoz - who quite proudly declared that he didn't care about the repercussions on others on whom he scabbed.
Your last post is further evidence that you and your ilk still find it "surprising" that scab tactics are UNACCEPTABLE.
You really are the misfits of society in general, and the aviation domain in particular!
"..and completely unsubstantiated BS spread by malcontents", Wizofoz.
To the best of my knowledge, Fartsock is a QANTAS pilot who was not involved in 1989 - until the scablike actions of the ex-Ansett pilots now employed in his company were introduced there as well.
You guys are just wharfies with a better education.......
I've flown with five ex-AN pilots and none of them are SC@Bs and I found them to be decent blokes who are happy to have a job and are prepared to wait their turn to gain a front seat again.
Considering, we have a very tightly worded Industrial Award with an extablished "Paid Rate" which prevents QF from offering lower salaries to fly the same aircraft types, I find it hard to see that the original post has any foundation.
Can anyone advise if there are any SC@Bs from AN employed by QF - by that I mean anyone who got a job with AN between Oct 89 and Mar 90. I do not consider anyone a SC@B if they obtained a job after AFAP capitulated and advised its members to try to get their jobs back.
GB
Considering, we have a very tightly worded Industrial Award with an extablished "Paid Rate" which prevents QF from offering lower salaries to fly the same aircraft types, I find it hard to see that the original post has any foundation.
Can anyone advise if there are any SC@Bs from AN employed by QF - by that I mean anyone who got a job with AN between Oct 89 and Mar 90. I do not consider anyone a SC@B if they obtained a job after AFAP capitulated and advised its members to try to get their jobs back.
GB