Am I dreaming or have I seen all this before ?
Just Binos
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Kaptin M,
Federal control over MK airport ceased a long time ago. The memory stretches, but it was probably 88 when we first became a "GBE". Could be wrong there.
Now owned and run by Mackay Port Authority including all lighting. AirServices' only connection is ATC and maintaining our radio gear and the radar/navaids.
Cheers.
Federal control over MK airport ceased a long time ago. The memory stretches, but it was probably 88 when we first became a "GBE". Could be wrong there.
Now owned and run by Mackay Port Authority including all lighting. AirServices' only connection is ATC and maintaining our radio gear and the radar/navaids.
Cheers.
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Forgive me for using Pprune to highlight this incident in the hope that we all will learn from it.
It saddens me when I realize that aviation, aviation safety, aviation regulation and the airline system has degenerated into what we see displayed in not only this thread but most Pprune threads these days. A few old stagers that know what they are talking about seemingly overwhelmed by allot that don't know anything. If they did know anything about this game they certainly wouldn't be expousing the dribble they have been.
The incident in May '89 was bad enough, but to have it repeated 14 years later says volumes for safety education and safety regulation in Oz. I might just print this and keep it till May 2017 for the next episode
Incase I haven't made myself clear, a few of you would be advised not to talk aviation until you actually have some experience in it ('cos your posts indicate Nil experience at this time).
Disco Stu
It saddens me when I realize that aviation, aviation safety, aviation regulation and the airline system has degenerated into what we see displayed in not only this thread but most Pprune threads these days. A few old stagers that know what they are talking about seemingly overwhelmed by allot that don't know anything. If they did know anything about this game they certainly wouldn't be expousing the dribble they have been.
The incident in May '89 was bad enough, but to have it repeated 14 years later says volumes for safety education and safety regulation in Oz. I might just print this and keep it till May 2017 for the next episode
Incase I haven't made myself clear, a few of you would be advised not to talk aviation until you actually have some experience in it ('cos your posts indicate Nil experience at this time).
Disco Stu
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Conversely, Stu, your thread has brought a lot of "stuff" to the surface that COULD be beneficial in helping to prevent, at worst an accident (CFIT), and at the very least, present some info to the lesser experienced pilots, and some ideas that the Mackay City Council might consider for implementation.....after, Binos' and 89 steps submission to them 
The subject has been thrown around here (on PPRuNe), in an attempt to try to FIX a known problem area, rather than just pointing a finger at the crew.
I believe that if the 2 aforementioned gentlemen WERE to present some of the more relevant posts to the local pollie, or the Council, then it would be remiss of them if they were not to take some positive action, esp. if nothing were done, and a similar "event" occurred in the future.
How about it guys?
Let's capitalise on all the time spent key tapping here, to make a positive input into Oz aviation safety!
The subject has been thrown around here (on PPRuNe), in an attempt to try to FIX a known problem area, rather than just pointing a finger at the crew.
I believe that if the 2 aforementioned gentlemen WERE to present some of the more relevant posts to the local pollie, or the Council, then it would be remiss of them if they were not to take some positive action, esp. if nothing were done, and a similar "event" occurred in the future.
How about it guys?
Let's capitalise on all the time spent key tapping here, to make a positive input into Oz aviation safety!
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Good suggestion Kap. This incident must rattle into action all involved, pilot organisations, the Airline/s, Mackay Council, The QLD Transport (Road) people, the ATSB and even CASA (remember they claim to be a Safety Authority). I believe now that an incident has happened if nothing is done to manage a demonstrated risk then all of the above leave themselves open to a future allegation of failing their duty of care.
Mind you nothing appears to have happened since the May '89 incident (cos it happened again) so why would one believe anything will happen now. I'm not very confident am I?
Disco Stu
Hey Kap
Mind you nothing appears to have happened since the May '89 incident (cos it happened again) so why would one believe anything will happen now. I'm not very confident am I?
Disco Stu
Hey Kap
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Funny how things disappear, isn't it? I turned this thread up accidentally on a search for something entirely different.
For those who took part in the thread and who haven't been appraised of the action taken, in case any of them are still interested, there has been an installation of strobe lights at the threshold of 14.
The only problems have been related to the brightness of the strobes. There are three stages of runway lights at MK, and the brightness of the strobes increases exponentially with each stage. Stage three lights have the locals complaining about intrusive strobes, so a lot of Port Authority work has gone into putting shields at correct angles etc, and if we forget to lower the lights from 3 to 2 after dusk on a clear night, they're fairly overpowering to aircraft on final.
The end result is though, that an improvement was achieved through publicity. Maybe Dunnunda played a part?
For those who took part in the thread and who haven't been appraised of the action taken, in case any of them are still interested, there has been an installation of strobe lights at the threshold of 14.
The only problems have been related to the brightness of the strobes. There are three stages of runway lights at MK, and the brightness of the strobes increases exponentially with each stage. Stage three lights have the locals complaining about intrusive strobes, so a lot of Port Authority work has gone into putting shields at correct angles etc, and if we forget to lower the lights from 3 to 2 after dusk on a clear night, they're fairly overpowering to aircraft on final.
The end result is though, that an improvement was achieved through publicity. Maybe Dunnunda played a part?
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I did see that and wonder, tipsy. Our gentle DS banned? While idiots like....XXX-XXX and QQQQ QQQQQ still contribute their ******??
Tell him to PM me!
Tell him to PM me!
