Trouble on QF flight from MEL-Tassie??
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Well done to the FA's who "protected" their (Tech) crew, their aircraft & the punters! I don't mind having the odd dig at you guys, but I'll also acknowledge credit when it's due.
Well done to the two punters as well. Good to see that the "not my problem" mentality hadn't taken hold on at least two of them.
Gaunty/GoGirl. I'm with you. Almost had the trousers around my ankles at Mascot the other day, yet, same belt 2 days earlier at Tulla was nooo problem.
Now, I'm curious as to whether the RAAF were contacted, or was it their RDO? Did YMML have F/A18's overhead? I didn't hear them....
Well done to the two punters as well. Good to see that the "not my problem" mentality hadn't taken hold on at least two of them.
Gaunty/GoGirl. I'm with you. Almost had the trousers around my ankles at Mascot the other day, yet, same belt 2 days earlier at Tulla was nooo problem.
Now, I'm curious as to whether the RAAF were contacted, or was it their RDO? Did YMML have F/A18's overhead? I didn't hear them....
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C'mon Guys, you tell me how a Security Officer is meant to see two 15cm sharpend sticks in a person's bag on an X-ray screen and how a Walk Thru METAL detector will pick up wood if its on a person's body...
At MEL Airport in the "sterile" area you can buy Chinese with Wooden chopsticks - could have been a sharpend pair of these - after you have passed thru Security Screening.
So give it a break and stop blaming Security for these problems. Remember if you didn't have em' christ know's what would make it on-board the Aircraft - whether it be DG's or Prohibited Items. Remember they only follow the rules that DOTARS set. If you want to make any complaints at all I suggest everyone write to DOTARS!!
I thought we were ment to be professional around here. Plus you don't see Security popping up here taking the pis* out of the Pilots etc..
At MEL Airport in the "sterile" area you can buy Chinese with Wooden chopsticks - could have been a sharpend pair of these - after you have passed thru Security Screening.
So give it a break and stop blaming Security for these problems. Remember if you didn't have em' christ know's what would make it on-board the Aircraft - whether it be DG's or Prohibited Items. Remember they only follow the rules that DOTARS set. If you want to make any complaints at all I suggest everyone write to DOTARS!!
I thought we were ment to be professional around here. Plus you don't see Security popping up here taking the pis* out of the Pilots etc..
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The industry spends tens of millions annually on safety oriented crew training, whole forests are cut down in order to print voluminous safety manuals and procedures are developed for every conceivable emergency scenario.
But when it all hits the fan at the least expected moment and in the least expected way, as it invariably does, it all comes down to the guts and determination of the fine young men and women who crew these aeroplanes.
A very big well done to ALL the crew of this aeroplane for a truly magnificent result.
The plane landed safely and no lives were lost.
And as a bonus, the plane is in great shape and can even be used again!
It simply doesn't get any better than that.
Well done ladies and gentlemen!
I hope the injured amongst you are not experiencing too much discomfort and are able to make a smooth and speedy recovery.
Great work, guys!
But when it all hits the fan at the least expected moment and in the least expected way, as it invariably does, it all comes down to the guts and determination of the fine young men and women who crew these aeroplanes.
A very big well done to ALL the crew of this aeroplane for a truly magnificent result.
The plane landed safely and no lives were lost.
And as a bonus, the plane is in great shape and can even be used again!
It simply doesn't get any better than that.
Well done ladies and gentlemen!
I hope the injured amongst you are not experiencing too much discomfort and are able to make a smooth and speedy recovery.
Great work, guys!
Well said BIK!
Three additional points.
1. How was the security last time you hopped on a train/ferry/tram? Or crossed a bridge or drove through a tunnel. Or entered an office block. Friends, we live in an 'open' society and there is a balance going on continually between individual rights to privacy and invasions of that privacy for what is seen to be the greater common good.
2. Isn't this the moment the CEO is supposed to say "That's Qantas Link, a separate company, not us!"?
3. It's been previously reported in the Fin Review, so I am not telling you anything that is not public info, that GD was having a bit of R+R in his home town this week, I think, and perhaps he had to rush back to the Big Smoke at short notice to hose this one down, which is probably why he looked as if he was still coming up to speed.
Used to be that a media specialist [ the legendary "A Company Spokesman"] would handle this stuff and keep the media off the CEO's back. Seemed to work better, too. Anyway, it works better for us if one does the flying and another the communicating.
GD will have to institute a new bravery award. Silver Service Cross, with Bar!
Three additional points.
1. How was the security last time you hopped on a train/ferry/tram? Or crossed a bridge or drove through a tunnel. Or entered an office block. Friends, we live in an 'open' society and there is a balance going on continually between individual rights to privacy and invasions of that privacy for what is seen to be the greater common good.
2. Isn't this the moment the CEO is supposed to say "That's Qantas Link, a separate company, not us!"?
3. It's been previously reported in the Fin Review, so I am not telling you anything that is not public info, that GD was having a bit of R+R in his home town this week, I think, and perhaps he had to rush back to the Big Smoke at short notice to hose this one down, which is probably why he looked as if he was still coming up to speed.
Used to be that a media specialist [ the legendary "A Company Spokesman"] would handle this stuff and keep the media off the CEO's back. Seemed to work better, too. Anyway, it works better for us if one does the flying and another the communicating.
GD will have to institute a new bravery award. Silver Service Cross, with Bar!
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Rattled Pilot ???
Fri "The Australian"
Passenger with evil on his mind
By John Ferguson and Mark Buttler
May 30, 2003
GLUED to their windows watching a sun-drenched Victorian coast disappear in the distance, most passengers on Qantas Flight 1737 failed to notice the middle-aged man in the brown pinstripe suit.
The man undid his seatbelt and rose silently from row seven with evil on his mind.
The seatbelt warning light had just been turned off, but he was not hanging around.
In seconds he was standing in the aisle, raising his hands and revealing two carefully sharpened wooden stakes, a yellow cigarette lighter and silver aerosol can.
The sudden movement startled many of his 46 fellow passengers who looked away from Bass Strait with Phillip Island fading away quickly filling their cabin windows.
In that split-second of recognition, their surprise gave way to terror as every plane passengers' post-September 11 nightmare came true before their eyes.
Rushing now, the man surged forward past rows six, five, four, three . . . the cockpit was now almost within his grasp but he had not counted on the bravery of crew and passengers.
The first to react was a 38-year-old male flight attendant who confronted the assailant in the aisle, blocking his path to the pilot.
But the man was not so easily deterred.
He kept coming.
The attendant pushed the man away from the cockpit, using his head as a battering ram.
Passengers screamed in horror as blood spurted from the crewman's neck after one of the wooden weapons found its mark in the tussle.
Not thinking of her own safety, a female flight attendant, 25, rushed forward to help her stricken colleague and was slashed across the face.
As terror rippled through the cabin, six courageous passengers and more crew piled on top of the attempted hijacker, crushing him under their combined weight.
In 20 seconds the terror threat was over.
They bound him with plastic ties and wedged him between two seats.
Behind the locked cockpit door, the rattled pilot radioed Melbourne airport alerting them to the mid-air emergency.
The jet was turned around and set on a direct course for Tullamarine.
Outside the cockpit, for what seemed an eternity but was in reality probably closer to 20 minutes, passengers and crew sat on the would-be hijacker.
Melbourne airport had never looked so good.
Fire crews and police raced to the tarmac, surrounded the plane and arrested the disarmed man as the plane landed at 3.15pm - less than 30 minutes after take-off.
The stewards received urgent medical help, along with two passenger heroes who had received slight injuries.
Distressed passengers, some weeping, were comforted by fellow travellers.
Bags were later removed from the jet with forensic investigators and sniffer dogs examining several of them.
At gate 12, in the Qantas domestic terminal, investigators also removed several bags of evidence.
Passengers were counselled in the airport lounge. They were served red and white wine and Crown Lager beer.
"I'm glad it's over," said a young mother with a four-year-old son.
About 7pm the nervous passengers were led on to another flight for Launceston.
They landed safely and without incident.
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Passenger with evil on his mind
By John Ferguson and Mark Buttler
May 30, 2003
GLUED to their windows watching a sun-drenched Victorian coast disappear in the distance, most passengers on Qantas Flight 1737 failed to notice the middle-aged man in the brown pinstripe suit.
The man undid his seatbelt and rose silently from row seven with evil on his mind.
The seatbelt warning light had just been turned off, but he was not hanging around.
In seconds he was standing in the aisle, raising his hands and revealing two carefully sharpened wooden stakes, a yellow cigarette lighter and silver aerosol can.
The sudden movement startled many of his 46 fellow passengers who looked away from Bass Strait with Phillip Island fading away quickly filling their cabin windows.
In that split-second of recognition, their surprise gave way to terror as every plane passengers' post-September 11 nightmare came true before their eyes.
Rushing now, the man surged forward past rows six, five, four, three . . . the cockpit was now almost within his grasp but he had not counted on the bravery of crew and passengers.
The first to react was a 38-year-old male flight attendant who confronted the assailant in the aisle, blocking his path to the pilot.
But the man was not so easily deterred.
He kept coming.
The attendant pushed the man away from the cockpit, using his head as a battering ram.
Passengers screamed in horror as blood spurted from the crewman's neck after one of the wooden weapons found its mark in the tussle.
Not thinking of her own safety, a female flight attendant, 25, rushed forward to help her stricken colleague and was slashed across the face.
As terror rippled through the cabin, six courageous passengers and more crew piled on top of the attempted hijacker, crushing him under their combined weight.
In 20 seconds the terror threat was over.
They bound him with plastic ties and wedged him between two seats.
Behind the locked cockpit door, the rattled pilot radioed Melbourne airport alerting them to the mid-air emergency.
The jet was turned around and set on a direct course for Tullamarine.
Outside the cockpit, for what seemed an eternity but was in reality probably closer to 20 minutes, passengers and crew sat on the would-be hijacker.
Melbourne airport had never looked so good.
Fire crews and police raced to the tarmac, surrounded the plane and arrested the disarmed man as the plane landed at 3.15pm - less than 30 minutes after take-off.
The stewards received urgent medical help, along with two passenger heroes who had received slight injuries.
Distressed passengers, some weeping, were comforted by fellow travellers.
Bags were later removed from the jet with forensic investigators and sniffer dogs examining several of them.
At gate 12, in the Qantas domestic terminal, investigators also removed several bags of evidence.
Passengers were counselled in the airport lounge. They were served red and white wine and Crown Lager beer.
"I'm glad it's over," said a young mother with a four-year-old son.
About 7pm the nervous passengers were led on to another flight for Launceston.
They landed safely and without incident.
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Terrible way to find out you are still in the industry post- Ansett Greg.
Well done and get well soon.
Great bloke to have a beer with on many a overnight.
Hope the Impulse boys look after your bar bill in the future.
Well done and get well soon.
Great bloke to have a beer with on many a overnight.
Hope the Impulse boys look after your bar bill in the future.
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Well done to the crew & Pax who stood up to be counted when it was really needed.
Question? Do QF domestic a/c not carry handcuffs?
All AirNz jet a/c carry 2 sets plus a baton.
AirNZ are putting F/A's (volunteers) through anti terriosm course's run by ex SAS members, very heavy stuff with 3 F/A from the first one needing hospital treatment. (broken bones/stitchs) and one instructor got knocked out!!
But having spoken to a couple who have passed it they said it has given them so much more confidence to deal with any onboard problems.
Question? Do QF domestic a/c not carry handcuffs?
All AirNz jet a/c carry 2 sets plus a baton.
AirNZ are putting F/A's (volunteers) through anti terriosm course's run by ex SAS members, very heavy stuff with 3 F/A from the first one needing hospital treatment. (broken bones/stitchs) and one instructor got knocked out!!
But having spoken to a couple who have passed it they said it has given them so much more confidence to deal with any onboard problems.
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six courageous passengers and more crew piled on top of the attempted hijacker
Wirraway, I can't believe the article you posted above is for real.
(Fri "The Australian" Passenger with evil on his mind By John Ferguson and Mark Buttler May 30, 2003)
Sounds like the first draft of a second grade paperback novel.
It demeans the crew whose actions were beyond reproach and demeans the intelligence of the Australian public who read that crap.
Whatever happened to factual reporting?
(Fri "The Australian" Passenger with evil on his mind By John Ferguson and Mark Buttler May 30, 2003)
Sounds like the first draft of a second grade paperback novel.
It demeans the crew whose actions were beyond reproach and demeans the intelligence of the Australian public who read that crap.
Whatever happened to factual reporting?
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When I read it in the "Australian" I could not believe the way
it was written, I just had to repost it for you guys because as you say it was so far out, never thought I would read something
like this from one of Australia's most respected newspapers.
Wirraway
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When I read it in the "Australian" I could not believe the way
it was written, I just had to repost it for you guys because as you say it was so far out, never thought I would read something
like this from one of Australia's most respected newspapers.
Wirraway
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hi jacking
first of all - i don't want to hear that word terrorism again!
Secondly - where do you stop?? I mean if someone has now thought of using wooden stakes as weapons... there are so many other things you can use as weapons that you could get through security, such as the above mentioned aerosol cans and a lighter - then they give you cutlery on board!! If you just want to cause some trouble... a couple of forks embedded in someone will have the same effect.
The thing i don't agree is the type of people security focus on. I was in maroochydore a few weeks ago, and they had a 7 - 8 year old boy with no shoes, no watch, no belt no nothing sending him through that security screen time after time after time... poor kid was almost in tears... he had no idea what was happening.
And then you see some maintenance bloke walk between the screens and no one stops him??? it is not that hard to get a uniform you know.
Secondly - where do you stop?? I mean if someone has now thought of using wooden stakes as weapons... there are so many other things you can use as weapons that you could get through security, such as the above mentioned aerosol cans and a lighter - then they give you cutlery on board!! If you just want to cause some trouble... a couple of forks embedded in someone will have the same effect.
The thing i don't agree is the type of people security focus on. I was in maroochydore a few weeks ago, and they had a 7 - 8 year old boy with no shoes, no watch, no belt no nothing sending him through that security screen time after time after time... poor kid was almost in tears... he had no idea what was happening.
And then you see some maintenance bloke walk between the screens and no one stops him??? it is not that hard to get a uniform you know.
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Gnadenburg. He wouldn't have a surname that's shared with a river in PER would he?????(Ahh, just saw his name in the paper, not the Greg I was thinking of, but one I knew anyway. Well done GK!)
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Barber's Pole,
I can't comment for all airlines, but for several years now the airline I work for has favoured plastic 'zip' ties, similar in concept to electricians cable ties.
WRT the article in the Australian, it really p!sses me off the way the journos make what was probably a sound and normal return to base sound like the pilot could only just hold it together and that s/he didn't choose the scenic route into Melb!!
I can't comment for all airlines, but for several years now the airline I work for has favoured plastic 'zip' ties, similar in concept to electricians cable ties.
WRT the article in the Australian, it really p!sses me off the way the journos make what was probably a sound and normal return to base sound like the pilot could only just hold it together and that s/he didn't choose the scenic route into Melb!!
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Just heard on the radio. A 40 year old , David Mark Robinson , of east Bentleigh , Victoria was the culprit. Ex colleagues of this guy said that he was an English chap , who had been in Australia for about 5 years , working as a computer and I.T engineer.
Was a friendly co worker , who lived by himself and had left the company after a falling out with a superior 6 weeks previously.
He had no apparent religious convictions and was just a normal type of chap .
I'm sure that Greg would be bemused by all this publicity and ,from all his ex ansett mates , get well soon and don't let that prick Dixon milk you for too much publicity . He was having a field day on this morning's radio.
You are a true gentleman and your bravery , and that of your crew will be forever remembered.
Was a friendly co worker , who lived by himself and had left the company after a falling out with a superior 6 weeks previously.
He had no apparent religious convictions and was just a normal type of chap .
I'm sure that Greg would be bemused by all this publicity and ,from all his ex ansett mates , get well soon and don't let that prick Dixon milk you for too much publicity . He was having a field day on this morning's radio.
You are a true gentleman and your bravery , and that of your crew will be forever remembered.
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They should have put him at the back of the plane in the aisle just before landing and used max braking, let him get to the cockpit door that way, hopefully breaking a few bones along the way. Let's just hope the punishment he ultimately gets fits the crime!
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You are a true gentleman and your bravery , and that of your crew will be forever remembered.
Give me a friggin bone....basic human reaction now, Down a hijacker and save your life.........
Let's just hope the punishment he ultimately gets fits the crime!
While murderers in Australia serve an average 12 years in jail. Judge job application system needs a serious overhaul.
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zzyyxx. You are truly a filthy degenerate for even daring to suggest such a thing. Your comments are just ridiculous.
The purser concerned is a fantastic bloke and true gentlemen. The same cannot be said for the likes of you zzyyxx. Perhaps some caution should be used when airing the training levels of differing airline operations with regards to security. Being a world wide web.
Best of luck to all concerned. Great to see that most aviation proffesionals band together when something like this happens.
The purser concerned is a fantastic bloke and true gentlemen. The same cannot be said for the likes of you zzyyxx. Perhaps some caution should be used when airing the training levels of differing airline operations with regards to security. Being a world wide web.
Best of luck to all concerned. Great to see that most aviation proffesionals band together when something like this happens.
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