Beard Protest
Joined: May 2018
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From: Perth
I wonder why the Group hasn’t just made up it’s mind and put whatever rule in it wants like always with everything else.
A month of “consultation” like they want the fight? They want us to be arguing amongst ourselves even more than always, something bad in the results coming?
A month of “consultation” like they want the fight? They want us to be arguing amongst ourselves even more than always, something bad in the results coming?
It shows the safety argument is weak, as this is a HR process and has nothing to do with safety. If it was safety related, there would be no consultation.
Joined: Aug 2024
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From: Commuter
There’s an associated risk complying with the clean shaven policy - Restroom Falls
This will require completion of the mandatory workday course “Restroom Essentials - Safe Shaving”
Please do not complete the workday course titled “Restroom Essentials - Safe Showering” as this topic will be introduced in Semester 2.
This will require completion of the mandatory workday course “Restroom Essentials - Safe Shaving”
Please do not complete the workday course titled “Restroom Essentials - Safe Showering” as this topic will be introduced in Semester 2.
Joined: Jun 2022
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From: australia
Yes shave everyday.I don’t agree with the policy, but shaving every day or 2 is hardly alien. Mainline, JQ and EFA pilots have been doing this for ages
Joined: Feb 2011
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From: Australia
I wonder why the Group hasn’t just made up it’s mind and put whatever rule in it wants like always with everything else.
A month of “consultation” like they want the fight? They want us to be arguing amongst ourselves even more than always, something bad in the results coming?
A month of “consultation” like they want the fight? They want us to be arguing amongst ourselves even more than always, something bad in the results coming?
The airline is run exactly the same as it was during the Joyce era - authoritarian, cost spreadsheets, management KPIs and divide and conquer the minions.
The only difference now is that they’re pretending it’s different.
Clearly they’re going to ban beards group wide. The request for comment is just controlling optics.
Joined: Aug 2002
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From: Australia
Network and NJS Pilots however will actively push back on stupid rules and will purposely grow beards just to put their management teams in a position where they need to accept the facial hair or stand them down. Obviously they won’t stand them down as they don’t have the crew to sustain the business.
Given a significant number of NJS and Network pilots have applications for Mainline or JQ then they must have accepted that their beard’s days were numbered anyway.
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From: The Coal Face
Can employers dictate their employee’s facial grooming?
https://chamberlains.com.au/clean-sh...get-you-fired/
https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/dec...2024fwc786.pdf
Where the employer has imposed relevant policies and procedures in relation to the fitment and seal of personal/respiratory protective equipment, the short answer is, yes.
Recently, the Fair Work Commission (FWC) upheld an employer’s decision to terminate an employee who failed to clean shave. This was due to the health risks posed by the airborne contaminants that the employee faced while discharging their duties.
Recently, the Fair Work Commission (FWC) upheld an employer’s decision to terminate an employee who failed to clean shave. This was due to the health risks posed by the airborne contaminants that the employee faced while discharging their duties.
The risk to exposure cannot be eliminated. TasWater has in place risk control measures to manage and reduce the risk. These include the supply and use of appropriate respiratory protective equipment (RPE), which is a type of personal protective equipment (PPE). TasWater maintains a PPE procedure, which sets out its requirements for the selection, approval, use, inspection, maintenance and disposal of PPE. The procedure is readily accessible to employees on TasWater’s intranet and forms part of the training for all new employees and training regularly thereafter. TasWater says that the procedure has always contained a requirement that an employee be clean shaven when using RPE but accepts that this requirement was not strictly enforced.
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From: 3rd Rock
Can employers dictate their employee’s facial grooming?
https://chamberlains.com.au/clean-sh...get-you-fired/
https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/dec...2024fwc786.pdf
https://chamberlains.com.au/clean-sh...get-you-fired/
https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/dec...2024fwc786.pdf
Joined: May 2014
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From: Richmond
If you really want a beard join the Navy or the Lakemba community.
What other company rules do you want to debate?
Drinking within hours?
Not wearing the uniform in toto?
Wearing facial tattoos?
Not working on Saturdays because of your religion?
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From: Timbuktoo
If you really want a beard join the Navy or the Lakemba community.
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From: Richmond
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From: The Coal Face
I was reflecting on how to go about overturning such a policy. Is it a case of having to go to the FWC and does anyone have the motivation to do that?
Joined: Feb 2018
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From: East of Westralia
Do you want the job or not?
If you really want a beard join the Navy or the Lakemba community.
What other company rules do you want to debate?
Drinking within hours?
Not wearing the uniform in toto?
Wearing facial tattoos?
Not working on Saturdays because of your religion?
If you really want a beard join the Navy or the Lakemba community.
What other company rules do you want to debate?
Drinking within hours?
Not wearing the uniform in toto?
Wearing facial tattoos?
Not working on Saturdays because of your religion?
Company provide a set of guidelines and rules we have to follow if we want the payslip to have Qantas on it.
At the end of the day, we all have a choice.
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From: Kichin
I think you’ll find the thing our bearded friends are getting fired up about is that once again, Qantas are imposing a change in the rules and hiding behind safety as their rationale. As if Qantas doesn’t have enough problems requiring their immediate attention, they start this pointless fight with an already pissed off pilot group. Furthermore it seems the link guys and girls are always Qantas when it suits management and subsidiaries the rest of the time. If Qantas want them to be Qantas, make them Qantas…..
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From: Getting there eventually
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From: East of Westralia
You’re delusional if you think they give one iota of a damn what the greater pilot cohort want.
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From: NSW
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From: cowtown
Some lip balms are more of a safety threat than a beard . When assembling oxygen supply lines the use of grease is verboten .
They might want to put some thought into lip balms used for sunscreen at altitude for use with oxygen equipment .
Beard grease and oils , beeswax, petroleum based mineral oils used on the facial beards might not be a smart choice while using oxygen .
The use of moisturizer on deck might need limits . Although I have yet to read any accidents caused by an overly moisturized situation.
Hands slipping off the greased up Yoke ?
They might want to put some thought into lip balms used for sunscreen at altitude for use with oxygen equipment .
Beard grease and oils , beeswax, petroleum based mineral oils used on the facial beards might not be a smart choice while using oxygen .
The use of moisturizer on deck might need limits . Although I have yet to read any accidents caused by an overly moisturized situation.
Hands slipping off the greased up Yoke ?