NJS pulls out of Rockhampton
NJS pulls out of Rockhampton
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So what alternatives do ROK or MKY based crew have now?
a) A transfer to another NJS base.
b) Absorption in to QF mainline incl QF Link and/or Eastern (the least QF could do seeing as though they are the root of the problem).
Does this now mean that NJS will have too many pilots (post ROK & MKY closure) for the remainder of flights they operate on their network?
Do QF have further plans to infiltrate any more of the NJS network with the 717?
Will Australian Airlines (AO) ever operate a/c smaller than a 767 that will compete with what's left of NJS?
a) A transfer to another NJS base.
b) Absorption in to QF mainline incl QF Link and/or Eastern (the least QF could do seeing as though they are the root of the problem).
Does this now mean that NJS will have too many pilots (post ROK & MKY closure) for the remainder of flights they operate on their network?
Do QF have further plans to infiltrate any more of the NJS network with the 717?
Will Australian Airlines (AO) ever operate a/c smaller than a 767 that will compete with what's left of NJS?
Miss Behaviour why should Qantas absorb you if NJS decide to withdraw from the ROK and MKY markets. QF is not the problem, you are with the attitude that you are owed something.
None of us are really owed anything by an employer. If the job dissapears, yes it is sad but you just have to go on.
If NJS do pull out then at least these markets will get decent aircraft.
None of us are really owed anything by an employer. If the job dissapears, yes it is sad but you just have to go on.
If NJS do pull out then at least these markets will get decent aircraft.
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The change over date is the 28th of October (end of current schedule I think). Only the YBRK base to close. NJS doesn't have a say in the base closing it is all done by THE BIG Q.
think you will find as 146s grow older qf will start to take over those routes using the 717, though i think the 146s still have a while to go on the leases to njs???
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NJS have been given the same royal rogering by Q that they received in CB when Southern were uncerimoniously removed from Tasmania diplacing NJS crews (and Families) to Perth.
It appears that the big decision makers are at it again, more screwed pilots, FA's and families, where do the Rocky and Mackay guy's go now? Will Q pay for their redeployment?
One thing is for sure watching the fiasco in Southern, NJS crew can forget any oportunity of progressing into mainline, they simply don't want regional pilots.
I know that the old "well NJS are contractors" line will once again be touted, but remember we are all out there with some anticipation of a future.
Hope something works out well for all.
It appears that the big decision makers are at it again, more screwed pilots, FA's and families, where do the Rocky and Mackay guy's go now? Will Q pay for their redeployment?
One thing is for sure watching the fiasco in Southern, NJS crew can forget any oportunity of progressing into mainline, they simply don't want regional pilots.
I know that the old "well NJS are contractors" line will once again be touted, but remember we are all out there with some anticipation of a future.
Hope something works out well for all.
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Some people round here need to take a reality check as their attitude smacks of 'I'm alright Jack, f**k everyone else'.
They're probably the same children who never shared their toys and might be more appropriate for them to vent their grievances at their spell-checker rather than their fellow aviators.
I've seen plenty of people who adopt this holier than thou attitude when it comes to other people, then should they have the misfortune to find themselves in the same situation squeal like stuck pigs.
They're probably the same children who never shared their toys and might be more appropriate for them to vent their grievances at their spell-checker rather than their fellow aviators.
I've seen plenty of people who adopt this holier than thou attitude when it comes to other people, then should they have the misfortune to find themselves in the same situation squeal like stuck pigs.
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717-qld ops
Q may get some competition in QLD yet, watch for Alliances' F100's. There's no cheaper comparable type 100 seater avbl.
With more a/c to come(maybe six or more) that airline will show a clean set of heels to 717s,737s and 146's
Old Flight West had a top rep for service, Q wasn't in the same league. Their cabin girls were great, many have returned to the new Alliance..... and great eyecandy!!!.
With more a/c to come(maybe six or more) that airline will show a clean set of heels to 717s,737s and 146's
Old Flight West had a top rep for service, Q wasn't in the same league. Their cabin girls were great, many have returned to the new Alliance..... and great eyecandy!!!.
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you are very slow on the uptake old mate.
As stated plenty of times before................
717 don't have the range for several of the 146 routes.
717 with 100+ seats replacing a 64 seat aircraft on skinny routes, I don't think so.
The 146 will be replaced but not by 717's. The goss around thois part of the world is that the 717's have alimited future, reason for that no idea just rumour and gossip but time will tell.
you are very slow on the uptake old mate.
As stated plenty of times before................
717 don't have the range for several of the 146 routes.
717 with 100+ seats replacing a 64 seat aircraft on skinny routes, I don't think so.
The 146 will be replaced but not by 717's. The goss around thois part of the world is that the 717's have alimited future, reason for that no idea just rumour and gossip but time will tell.
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I hear the AD-CB-AD route is going back to the 146 maybe that is the redeployment, NJS crews to CB to bolster the thinning number of Southern crew along with it more flying? Could even be staged out of BN very easily. BN-CB-AD-CB-BN would be feasible.
Could be 146's back to Tassie, the 717's can't be making a lot out of LT with the DJ competition.
Rumour has it though the 717 is going up north.
Could be 146's back to Tassie, the 717's can't be making a lot out of LT with the DJ competition.
Rumour has it though the 717 is going up north.
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OK mppgf, tell me then...
YBAS-YPPF, 1070nm, headwind 90 knots, and Perth requires alternate (spec alt min not available.) Pearce not available (same weather). Which alternate would you nominate for your B717, and will you be telling the QF POCO to offload pax/bags/freight or otherwise limiting your load?
Or..
YBCS-YAYE, 965 miles, same headwind, YBAS not available.
How about YBBN-YBAS, 1061nm, YAYE not available?
Remember that someone who is worth the title of RPT jet captain would be expecting to at least shoot one approach before proceeding to a decent alternate.
I agree with Miss B, I am getting more than a LITTLE P!SSED at the brainless comments made on this forum about whose airline is 'better' than the next.
Who you work for has about stuff-all to do with how good you are. I have mates flying burners in (the former) Impulse, (the former) Ansett, (former) Flight West, Virgin, Qantas, Cathay, Singapore, Dragonair, Ryanair, JAL. All former bush pilots that beat around in crappy old cessnas and barons. Having worked shoulder-to-shoulder with all of them 24/7, I can tell you that they are all deserving of where they got to, but you CANT TELL ME THAT ONE IS ANY BETTER THAN ANOTHER by virtue of which faceless bureacrat ticked the box and put them on the payroll.
It may be time to stop operating under pseudonyms and register under your real name. That way we might get less sh!t stirring from the hoi polloi [sic].
Cut the beer talk and lets have some info from operators who know what they are doing.
I await informed opinion on the B717 v. the B146 on westerly routes exceeding 950 miles.
YBAS-YPPF, 1070nm, headwind 90 knots, and Perth requires alternate (spec alt min not available.) Pearce not available (same weather). Which alternate would you nominate for your B717, and will you be telling the QF POCO to offload pax/bags/freight or otherwise limiting your load?
Or..
YBCS-YAYE, 965 miles, same headwind, YBAS not available.
How about YBBN-YBAS, 1061nm, YAYE not available?
Remember that someone who is worth the title of RPT jet captain would be expecting to at least shoot one approach before proceeding to a decent alternate.
I agree with Miss B, I am getting more than a LITTLE P!SSED at the brainless comments made on this forum about whose airline is 'better' than the next.
Who you work for has about stuff-all to do with how good you are. I have mates flying burners in (the former) Impulse, (the former) Ansett, (former) Flight West, Virgin, Qantas, Cathay, Singapore, Dragonair, Ryanair, JAL. All former bush pilots that beat around in crappy old cessnas and barons. Having worked shoulder-to-shoulder with all of them 24/7, I can tell you that they are all deserving of where they got to, but you CANT TELL ME THAT ONE IS ANY BETTER THAN ANOTHER by virtue of which faceless bureacrat ticked the box and put them on the payroll.
It may be time to stop operating under pseudonyms and register under your real name. That way we might get less sh!t stirring from the hoi polloi [sic].
Cut the beer talk and lets have some info from operators who know what they are doing.
I await informed opinion on the B717 v. the B146 on westerly routes exceeding 950 miles.
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In response to the request for informed information these are some figures based on routes we currently fly.
YBCG-YMHB
wind component -95kts (headwind)
tempo holding
full flight
distance 950nm
fuel burn 6300kg
and still has payload remaining!
Aircraft doesn't have to many field problems either
we can use alternates like YMNG and YCOM(with an ACN dispo)
for a plane carrying an extra 50 bodies it's a good machine
Figures have been done for YPAD-YPPH and the HGW Aircraft can do it in strong winds and Bad weather without loss of pax.
Weights for the HGW aircraft are
BRW 53524kg
LW 49895kg
ZFW 45586kg
YBCG-YMHB
wind component -95kts (headwind)
tempo holding
full flight
distance 950nm
fuel burn 6300kg
and still has payload remaining!
Aircraft doesn't have to many field problems either
we can use alternates like YMNG and YCOM(with an ACN dispo)
for a plane carrying an extra 50 bodies it's a good machine
Figures have been done for YPAD-YPPH and the HGW Aircraft can do it in strong winds and Bad weather without loss of pax.
Weights for the HGW aircraft are
BRW 53524kg
LW 49895kg
ZFW 45586kg
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Re the 717, with a full load of pax on the HGW aircraft it would be very unlikely to have a payload of more than 11000kg or 12000kg max as the hold will bulk out first (unless your carrying gold). So with a DOW of 31000kgs you're looking at 10 or 11 tonnes of gas and a full ship of punters. Hope this helps the err.... conversation!
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Using VQG (config 12J90Y)
OEW 30978kg
102pax X 84kg
+1 bag per person at 14kg per bag
ZFW = 40,974kg
allowing for extra bags and or freight lets call it a round 42500kg
(an extra 1500+kgs)
minus that from the Max BRW of 53524kg
= 11,000kg approx.
minus from that 1500kg of fixed reserves
110% of flight fuel = 9500kg
therefore max flight fuel is around 8600-8700kg
with a full flight
holding rate is 1800kg/hr
if you need more fuel you can just take it from the 1500+kgs
I allowed for earlier in the calculation
can anyone publish similar figures for the BAe146
Using VQG (config 12J90Y)
OEW 30978kg
102pax X 84kg
+1 bag per person at 14kg per bag
ZFW = 40,974kg
allowing for extra bags and or freight lets call it a round 42500kg
(an extra 1500+kgs)
minus that from the Max BRW of 53524kg
= 11,000kg approx.
minus from that 1500kg of fixed reserves
110% of flight fuel = 9500kg
therefore max flight fuel is around 8600-8700kg
with a full flight
holding rate is 1800kg/hr
if you need more fuel you can just take it from the 1500+kgs
I allowed for earlier in the calculation
can anyone publish similar figures for the BAe146