Qantas SH EBA negotiations

[Ladloy]

Originally Posted by morno

Why? They’ve been sticking it to you for years

They've got their special magic carpark, what more could they want?

[soseg]

Originally Posted by Sameoldsameold

Most FOs….maybe. But not most CPTs. Looooooong way to go before I’ll be participating in any PIA. And it would have to be pretty dire for me to go down that path.

Stockholm syndrome or a shill.

[soseg]

Originally Posted by Give it the herbs

Ask any MEL FO how many hours they got rostered this month.. any increase to MGH is a win.

I'm not suggesting it's worth voting up on that alone, but lets also not trash can it completely.

They’ve pre trained FOs in anticipation of movement soon. OT will pick up.

[Sameoldsameold]

Originally Posted by Ladloy

They've got their special magic carpark, what more could they want?

The magic car park is only for those based in that sh#$hole called Sydney.

[MikeHatter732]

Originally Posted by Sameoldsameold

Most FOs….maybe. But not most CPTs. Looooooong way to go before I’ll be participating in any PIA. And it would have to be pretty dire for me to go down that path.

Thought you’d be done after your input in the NWK thread but clearly not

[goodtimeNOTalongtime]

Originally Posted by RollThroughApproved

Everyone here is arguing over scraps while EK crew get a bonus of 20 weeks pay, SQ get 8 months bonus….

Yeah, AIPA getting pilots paid for reserves duties is a win for QF and you are all making progress against the system.

Qantas is not longer the good job it was once, SOs now have two jobs to make ends meet while flying for the national carrier. All that’s needed for total chaos is for a real airline that respects its workers enough to look after them open an AUS base.

Something, something chickens, roosting.

To be fair, Emirates is backed by the Dubai Investment Commission, is located in a hugely advantageous geographical centre as a hub for long haul flying and recorded a record profit of ~A$7.65B, overall revenue of ~A$56.1B and has cash reserves of ~A$19.2B. I’d imagine their entry level roles like baggage handlers and customer service aren’t paid or protected the same way ours are.

Suffice it to say we’re not comparing Apples to Apples here.

[Sameoldsameold]

Originally Posted by MikeHatter732

Thought you’d be done after your input in the NWK thread but clearly not

Clearly not

[Ladloy]

Originally Posted by Sameoldsameold

Clearly not

Clearly part of the FYIGM brigade.

[Big Silver Spoon]

The only way executive management will ever be able to mend the relationship with the pilot workforce is to return the conditions to reflect purchasing power from 2019. Plus lifestyle improvements.

Undo the outsourcing and bring the flying back in house where the training, culture and oversight can be appropriately managed. I’m not saying mainline are better or worse. But mainline have a company way of doing things that have mostly worked for a very long time.

Appropriately compensate the workforce for what was lost during standown. The money should not be going to share buy backs or corporate KPIs. It should be returned to the staff. At the very least, reinvested in modernising the fleet. Not some pipe dream subsidiaries designed by consultants for short term reward and long term cost to the company.

If the money was reinvested in the fleet and staff were not compensated for the standdowns. The workforce would understand. But communicate that. Take responsibility. Don’t word waffle it.

Correct some very bad decisions made during the covid era. Everyone knows what they are. Stop the spin and admit fault. Correct it.

Bring back those that were sacked due to not being vaccinated in full rank and seniority. Without condition.

Go on Vanessa. Your workforce is waiting for your leadership. Show some.

[Big Silver Spoon]

Originally Posted by dr dre

If think there’s any support amongst the pilot group to bring that bring that nutter back into the company then you’re sorely mistaken. Let’s concentrate on the pilots who are at the coalface now and haven’t spent the last 3 years rubbishing their former employer on social media.

Perhaps not the high profile one. But there were others. I’d say the one you’re referring to would be on the other side of the hill now anyway and happily in retirement.

[ExtraShot]

It’s clear people are getting restless.

Anecdotally, that mood has seemingly gotten worse since the Aipa update last week. If that update is anything to go by, it seems little progress has been made since the release of the details of the company’s proposed (well and truly substandard) offer five or six months ago.

I do hope those of us doubting the results of this process are proven wrong, and there’s something coming down the line that everyone can be happy with.

Perhaps it’s time to move things along a little bit now? Get something out there, put it to a vote, if anything, just to re-survey the troops so as to give the company and the SHEA team an idea of where everyone stands?

[cloudsurfng]

Originally Posted by Sameoldsameold

Most FOs….maybe. But not most CPTs. Looooooong way to go before I’ll be participating in any PIA. And it would have to be pretty dire for me to go down that path.

Capt here. Would take PIA tomorrow over pay freeze. If you think ‘most capts’ are thinking the same as you….well maybe in your base, not mine.

this isn’t 89. PIA doesn’t mean you’re quitting your job.

[SixDemonBag]

Originally Posted by cloudsurfng

Capt here. Would take PIA tomorrow over pay freeze. If you think ‘most capts’ are thinking the same as you….well maybe in your base, not mine.

this isn’t 89. PIA doesn’t mean you’re quitting your job.

isn’t that what the P stands for 🤷

[cloudsurfng]

Originally Posted by SixDemonBag

isn’t that what the P stands for 🤷

Ol’ fella just doesn’t get it though. Would rather bend over and say ‘thanks for the shafting’

[Charlie Foxtrot India]

Please don't bring up 89 here

[Muchfreight]

Originally Posted by CaptCloudbuster

Not the time nor the place. Call AIPA if you are genuine.

That’s not a good sign. You sound reluctant to give or hear even a general update of EBA negotiations…that’s not a good sign at all.

[maverick4442]

Originally Posted by Sameoldsameold

Most FOs….maybe. But not most CPTs. Looooooong way to go before I’ll be participating in any PIA. And it would have to be pretty dire for me to go down that path.

Maybe the EA vote should have an age cutoff restriction.. those who are going to stick around for a while should vote rather than those left seat drivers nearing the end or leaving short haul only looking at the short term dollar to benefit themselves….

[Gas Chamber]

Originally Posted by maverick4442

Maybe the EA vote should have an age cutoff restriction.. those who are going to stick around for a while should vote rather than those left seat drivers nearing the end or leaving short haul only looking at the short term dollar to benefit themselves….

I was devastated to see the SO B scale, and it will never affect me. That was probably the stupidest thing AIPA ever did.
so many guys/girls are happy to sell out those below them. It’s pathetic.
old mate is very short sighted. Thankfully in a small minority of selfish

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by maverick4442

Maybe the EA vote should have an age cutoff restriction.. those who are going to stick around for a while should vote rather than those left seat drivers nearing the end or leaving short haul only looking at the short term dollar to benefit themselves….

As the EA has not been expired for long there won’t be much backpay waiting as a lump sump incentive for pilots who’ve been there for a while to get before jumping ship to LH, nor has any ‘sign on bonus’ been mooted. Most of the changes to conditions and work rules seem to be structural and geared towards better work conditions for pilots who want to stay in SH in the long term.

As the EA has also not being expired for too long (the NAA EA had expired for 3 years before PIA was voted on) and negotiations ‘seem’ to be progressing, along with no votes on any proposal would mean that PIA, if any, is a long way off so talk of it now is a little premature.

[CaptCloudbuster]

Originally Posted by Muchfreight

That’s not a good sign. You sound reluctant to give or hear even a general update of EBA negotiations…that’s not a good sign at all.

I wrote that BEFORE I read the recent AIPA EA update. I am now ( like most crew I fly with ) very disappointed at the “progress” being made. More than happy to be proved wrong but not hopeful.